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Should God show himself?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Audie said:
Ah a strawman. Cute.
But I spoke of the religionists
Not some so-called "spiritual world".
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But I was talking to Paul bout the spiritual world.

PAUL MARKHAM said: ↑
Can I get a bus, train, flight there?

Trailblazer said::
You will get a flight there soon enough.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
No, I won't. My body will decompose in the ground or be burned. That's all we know for sure.
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That is what will happen to your body but your body is not who you are.

I believe that bodies die and decompose and the soul (spirit) then passes from this world into another world. The man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought is what constitutes man.

I believe that the death of man is merely his soul passing from one world into another and when the soul passes from this world into the spiritual world it takes on a new form comprised of spiritual elements. Of course I cannot prove that but nevertheless I know it is true. Nonbelievers will find out when they die and are not dead.

421. When the body is no longer able to perform the bodily functions in the natural world that correspond to the spirit’s thoughts and affections, which the spirit has from the spiritual world, man is said to die. This takes place when the respiration of the lungs and the beatings of the heart cease. But the man does not die; he is merely separated from the bodily part that was of use to him in the world, while the man himself continues to live. It is said that the man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought with affection is what constitutes man. Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life. Heaven and Hell, p. 351
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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Trailblazer said:
That is what will happen to your body but your body is not who you are.

I believe that bodies die and decompose and the soul (spirit) then passes from this world into another world. The man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought is what constitutes man.

I believe that the death of man is merely his soul passing from one world into another and when the soul passes from this world into the spiritual world it takes on a new form comprised of spiritual elements. Of course I cannot prove that but nevertheless I know it is true. Nonbelievers will find out when they die and are not dead.

421. When the body is no longer able to perform the bodily functions in the natural world that correspond to the spirit’s thoughts and affections, which the spirit has from the spiritual world, man is said to die. This takes place when the respiration of the lungs and the beatings of the heart cease. But the man does not die; he is merely separated from the bodily part that was of use to him in the world, while the man himself continues to live. It is said that the man himself continues to live since man is not a man because of his body but because of his spirit, for it is the spirit that thinks in man, and thought with affection is what constitutes man. Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life. Heaven and Hell, p. 351
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And "I believe" overrules any facts.

Do you believe like Tony you can solve any problems by education?

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It was never suggested they should not exist.

The answer is education, and education which has foundation in moral and virtue, to which every child will be encouraged to pursue.

It will likewise require the teacher to practice what they preach.

Regards Tony
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Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
But I was talking to Paul bout the spiritual world.

PAUL MARKHAM said: ↑
Can I get a bus, train, flight there?

Trailblazer said::
You will get a flight there soon enough.
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So talk to him, on his topic don't give a phony response to what I said.
 
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thomas t

non-denominational Christian
PAUL MARKHAM said:
If a god created all life on Earth, explain why so many of those creations were failures over time?

Your god is a failure by this measure. species that have gone extinct ever - Google Search
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in my opinion, the flood serves as a good reason. During the flood many animals died.
This doesn't turn my God into a failure, though.

BTW I also assume that the laws of physics might have changed after the flood.
Before, there was a firmament in the sky, Bible says, and the stars attached to that very firmament according to my interpretation of Genesis 1:14. That shows how fundamentally different the earth really was before the flood. So I assume that the laws of physics might have been subject to change, too.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
That is what I was doing when you interrupted. ;)

I will respond however I want to to what people say to me, as long as it is within forum rules.
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You clicked 'reply".
It us ridiculous to then address comments to someoneoelse.

If you engage only in private conversations maybe you should get a room.
 
PAUL MARKHAM

PAUL MARKHAM

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thomas t said:
in my opinion, the flood serves as a good reason. During the flood many animals died.
This doesn't turn my God into a failure, though.

BTW I also assume that the laws of physics might have changed after the flood.
Before, there was a firmament in the sky, Bible says, and the stars attached to that very firmament according to my interpretation of Genesis 1:14. That shows how fundamentally different the earth really was before the flood. So I assume that the laws of physics might have been subject to change, too.
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99.9% of species have died and that isn't covered by a flood. The evidence is overwhelming and it can be found in Google.

Also Google how they estimate the age of fossils, bones and different species.
 
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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
PAUL MARKHAM said:
So education isn't the answer.
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The answer to what?

I did not say that education is not the answer to anything, I said I am not going to make you a list...
Instead of a list, here is what Baha'u'llah wrote about the importance of education.

“Man is the supreme Talisman. Lack of a proper education hath, however, deprived him of that which he doth inherently possess. Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being; by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education; by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded. The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.” Gleanings, pp. 259-260

However, Baha'u'llah also wrote that education is of two kinds, universal education and education confined to this Revelation.

“Consider, for instance, the revelation of the light of the Name of God, the Educator. Behold, how in all things the evidences of such a revelation are manifest, how the betterment of all beings dependeth upon it. This education is of two kinds. The one is universal. Its influence pervadeth all things and sustaineth them. It is for this reason that God hath assumed the title, “Lord of all worlds.” The other is confined to them that have come under the shadow of this Name, and sought the shelter of this most mighty Revelation. They, however, that have failed to seek this shelter, have deprived themselves of this privilege, and are powerless to benefit from the spiritual sustenance that hath been sent down through the heavenly grace of this Most Great Name.” Gleanings, pp. 189-190
 
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