Should God show himself?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

A video to explain to children how evolution works.

 

[Audie]

Please study how evolution works.

how does evolution work - Google Search

Ignorance is no defense.

My faith is backed up with centuries of science, understanding, proof, and a quest for knowledge. Your faith is backed by Bronze Age thinking.

Not knowing how evolution works is proof of that.

That was about the silliest and least informed description of evolution i ever saw, which takes some doing. Our fan of reality is not living up to his self assessment.

 

[Audie]

if you put it that way, I'd say that the orders given in the Bible were meant to be followed as well as possible to obtain the best standards possible at that time.

Its not "if I put it that way".

Now is a good time for straight talk and
standing by your faith!

The completed "sea" is described as 10 cubits across, 30 around.

Are those numbers accurate, or approximate?

Its one or the other. The answer is kinda obvious. Which is it?

 

[thomas t]

Not knowing is proof of that.

I don't think I don't know how evolution works. I'm not ignorant

My faith is backed up with centuries of science, understanding, proof, and a quest for knowledge.

So you say that your faith that God did not create one single species is backed up by science?
I don't think so.
Currenty, science does not have the knowledge to find out, that God did NOT create a worm seperately a thousand years ago, I think. They can't test for the absence of a divine intervention at that age, I think. They would always say "must have been a mutation, there", in my opinion.
If you think it does have the ability to exclude a divine intervention, provide a reason of why you think so. Provide the evidence for that.
When I say "there is no elephant in the room where I am typing"... I could make a photo of the room and prove my point.
When you say "there was no divine intervention for or during the rise of the spiecies"... you have nothing to back that up.

You're putting faith first, as I see it.

edited for clarity

 

[thomas t]

Are those numbers accurate, or approximate?

Its one or the other. The answer is kinda obvious. Which is it?

I think they were as exact as they could have been.
What's your point here?

 

[Audie]

I think they were as exact as they could have been.
What's your point here?

I think you are being evasive, as you do not answerva simple question.

Can you use the word approximate, or do you see the trap there?

 

[Audie]

I don't think I don't know how evolution works. I'm not ignorant



So you say that your faith that God did not creat one single species is backed up by science?
I don't think so.
Science does not have the knowledge to find out, that God did NOT create a worm seperately a thousand years ago. They can't test for the absence of a divine intervention at that age, I think. They was always say "must have been a mutation, there"
If you think it does have the ability to exclude a divine intervention, provide a reason of why you think so. Provide the evidence for that.
When I say "there is no elephant in the room where I am typing"... I could make a photo of the room and prove my point.
When you say "there was no divine intervention for or during the rise of the spiecies"... you have nothing to back that up.

You're putting faith first.

Actually you showed with the utmost clarity you've shown profound ignorance of ToE.

Its ok, you are not expected to- for one, it is actually impossible to be simultaneously creationist, well informed in geology and biology, and intellectuatually honest

We don't think you are dishonest, far from it!

You are, though, kind of kidding yourself
with the impression that you "get" what evolution is about. And that is ok too,
we all mistakenly overrated outprselves sometimes. Ok as long as a person is able to
recognize their shortcomings, and try to correct them.

Right now, you are in roughly the position I would be in if I were part of the after game show on TV. Trying to discuss an American football game.

It would be silly.
They'd kick me out pretty fast!

 

[thomas t]

Our fan of reality [this would be myself, added mine] is not living up to his self assessment.

I think I do.

Can you use the word approximate, or do you see the trap there?

the measurements in the Bible are exact to every common reader, I think. For those who see exactness as utmost precision possible it's not exact.
For the latter ones it's approximation. So I think it depends on the person who read it, this time.

Actually you showed with the utmost clarity you've shown profound ignorance of ToE.

Except that I didn't, I think.

kind of kidding yourself

well, I'm not.

we all mistakenly overrated outprselves sometimes.

yes. But this time, this didn't happen to me, I think.

It would be silly.

Yes. I would also look silly if I did the same. Nothing to do with the suject here.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don't think I don't know how evolution works. I'm not ignorant

Thinking isn't enough against knowing.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I think I do.

the measurements in the Bible are exact to every common reader, I think. For those who see exactness as utmost precision possible it's not exact.
For the latter ones it's approximation. So I think it depends on the person who read it, this time.

Which is why they believed god created all the living species on Earth at that time. No one had a clue about why fossils were appearing, what DNA was, how blood worked. So they explained it the only way they knew. Even though they understood that selective breeding works.

That's how a worm evolves into a worm and on to something else over the billions of years.

How we mated with Neanderthals.

 

[Audie]

I think I do.

the measurements in the Bible are exact to every common reader, I think. For those who see exactness as utmost precision possible it's not exact.
For the latter ones it's approximation. So I think it depends on the person who read it, this time.

Except that I didn't, I think.

well, I'm not.

yes. But this time, this didn't happen to me, I think.

Yes. I would also look silly if I did the same. Nothing to do with the suject here.

Beginning of wisdom is to know what you don't know.

The football analogy is spot on, your thoughts on evolution are as silly as if I spoke of sudden death overtime, birdies and baskets when describing football.

You are still temporizing about "approximation".
Why not talk straight?

It is not dependant on the reader, and you know it.

"30 cubits" is an approximate number with a fair degree of error.

Would you be able to identify and describe the trap I am setting and you trying to avoid?

 

[thomas t]

Beginning of wisdom is to know what you don't know.

was that meant to teach me wisdom? If so, please don't, I didn't ask you to.

your thoughts on evolution are as silly as [...]

they weren't silly to begin with. The analogy wasn't spot on, here.

You are still temporizing about "approximation".
Why not talk straight?

I wrote:
the measurements in the Bible are exact to every common reader, I think. For those who see exactness as utmost precision possible it's not exact.
For the latter ones it's approximation. So I think it depends on the person who reads it, this time.
Straight talk. As straight as it could be, I think.

It is not dependant on the reader, and you know it.

in this case it is, I think. And I know that, I think.

Would you be able to identify and describe the trap I am setting and you trying to avoid?

no

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[Trailblazer]

Can I get a bus, train, flight there?

You will get a flight there soon enough.

 

[Audie]

was that meant to teach me wisdom? If so, please don't, I didn't ask you to.


they weren't silly to begin with. The analogy wasn't spot on, here.

I wrote:
the measurements in the Bible are exact to every common reader, I think. For those who see exactness as utmost precision possible it's not exact.
For the latter ones it's approximation. So I think it depends on the person who reads it, this time.
Straight talk. As straight as it could be, I think.

here it is, I think. And I know that, I think.

no

Trying to teach you wisdom? What an utterly weird notion.
It is a common saying. Perhaps you are as unaware of it as you are of how silly your
thoughts on evolution.

My football analogy does you too much credit, as baskets and such rot apply to actual games while your evolution comments are just nonsense.

I am finally satisfied your temporizing is as straight talking as you are capable of being.

Too bad. But perhaps your fearfulness will reveal something to you,

(If not fear, what is it that keeps you from admitting your ignorance of science and your unwillingness to admit that the Bible says things that may be only approximately true?)

 

[Audie]

You will get a flight there soon enough.

Ever notice the deep, bedrock silliness of religionists?

 

[thomas t]

even citing common sayings could be an attempt to teach. Glad you won't teach me.

how silly your
thoughts on evolution.

they weren't silly

your evolution comments are just nonsense.

these weren't nonsense

My football analogy does you too much credit

actually, it doesn't.

But perhaps your fearfulness will reveal something to you,

and I don't have that fearfulness

your ignorance of science

I didn't show any of that ignorance you're talking of, I think.

your unwillingness to admit that the Bible says things that may be only approximately true?

actually, for normal people it can very well be exact,
only for those who see exactness as restricted to the very last micrometer, yeah... for those people Bible says things that can only approximately be true.

Edited to add last sentence

 

[Audie]

even citing common sayings could be an attempt to teach. Glad you won't teach me.

they weren't silly


these weren't nonsense

actually, it doesn't.

and I don't have that fearfulness

I didn't show any of that ignorance you're talking of, I think.


actually, for normal people it can very well be exact,
only for those who see exactness as restricted to the very last micrometer, yeah... for those people Bible says things that can only approximately be true.

Edited to add last sentence

Whatevs.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ever notice the deep, bedrock silliness of religionists?

I do not see anything silly about the spiritual world, it is anything but silly.

 

[Audie]

I do not see anything silly about the spiritual world, it is anything but silly.

Ah a strawman. Cute.
But I spoke of the religionists
Not some so-called "spiritual world".

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

You will get a flight there soon enough.

No, I won't. My body will decompose in the ground or be burned. That's all we know for sure.