Should God show himself?

[Trailblazer]

Fine for those who choose a fantasy wotld.

The unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die.

 

[thomas t]

Creation over evolution
Jonah swallowed by a whale
Adam and Eve.

it there is a God who is omnipotent, then he has the power to perform miracles that are all scientifically impossible.
This comes with the territory.
So, I conclude the Bible is not false. At least this is my belief.

 

[Trailblazer]

Precisely... which is why I am of the opinion that those particular opinions cannot matter as much in public/shared discourse. I don't even pretend to think that opinions that I hold in that particular category should matter as much in public discourse - like the idea that the universe has simply been here forever and undergoes a series of "big bangs" over vast amount of time in a sort of cycle. I have a strong suspicion that that is the way the universe operates - however I am not going to insist that anyone else find this idea important in the slightest - I admit that it is NOTHING BUT CONJECTURE. There should be such admittance for that type of opinion, in my estimation, and if there isn't, then the word "irrationality" might start to be used in conversations on the subject(s).

I agree that it should be presented as conjecture or a personal opinion or a belief if it cannot be proven, like the idea that the universe has simply been here forever. I believe that because that is what my religion teaches.

 

[Audie]

thank you:
Then he made the sea of cast metal. It was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumference.

In my opinion it is a vessel and seems to me that it was a thick vessel, so that the circumference is longer than it would have been if it was a circle.
The brim was thick, I think.

So you presume they measured inside diameter, and outside circumference?

Ad hoc explanation.

But suppose they did.

Do you suppose those are the exact numbers,
or approximations? I asked last time, about approximations.

 

[Audie]

it there is a God who is omnipotent, then he has the power to perform miracles that are all scientifically impossible.
This comes with the territory.
So, I conclude the Bible is not false. At least this is my belief.

So you figure God can swallow himself?

 

[Audie]

I agree that it should be presented as conjecture or a personal opinion or a belief if it cannot be proven, like the idea that the universe has simply been here forever. I believe that because that is what my religion teaches.

You are long in the habit, dishonest by your admission here, of presenting opinion as fact.

 

[Audie]

The unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die.

As previously noted, the dishonest presentation of opinion as fact.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

it there is a God who is omnipotent, then he has the power to perform miracles that are all scientifically impossible.
This comes with the territory.
So, I conclude the Bible is not false. At least this is my belief.

And atheists have actual evidence.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die.

Where is this verified?

 

[thomas t]

So you presume they measured inside diameter, and outside circumference?

Ad hoc explanation.

But suppose they did.

Do you suppose those are the exact numbers,
or approximations? I asked last time, about approximations.

yeah exactly.
Exact numbers, in my opinion the numbers are always exact. The whole story of constructing the objects for the temple involves lots of exact measurements, I think.

So you figure God can swallow himself?

No idea.
But in general, I promote the concept of restricted omniptence for God here on earth. God can't create the square triangle, for instance because he somewhen set up the rule that triangles need to have three sides. At the start he could do anything, I think. But once a rule is set on earth, it is set, even for God, I suppose. That's my take on the issue at least.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

As previously noted, the dishonest presentation of opinion as fact.

The unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die. Where does TB get this fact?????

She doesn't know, all we know is the body decomposes after death and the afterlife is invented by so many different religions. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...TguMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

yeah exactly.
Exact numbers, in my opinion the numbers are always exact. The whole story of constructing the objects for the temple involves lots of exact measurements, I think.


No idea.
But in general, I promote the concept of restricted omniptence for God here on earth. God can't create the square triangle, for instance because he somewhen set up the rule that triangles need to have three sides. At the start he could do anything, I think. But once a rule is set on earth, it is set, even for God, I suppose. That's my take on the issue at least.

The triumph of belief over facts.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which god is that?

The one true God.

“Regard thou the one true God as One Who is apart from, and immeasurably exalted above, all created things. The whole universe reflecteth His glory, while He is Himself independent of, and transcendeth His creatures. This is the true meaning of Divine unity. He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being, Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation. All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things. This is what is meant by Divine unity; this is its fundamental principle.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 167

 

[Audie]

yeah exactly.
Exact numbers, in my opinion the numbers are always exact. The whole story of constructing the objects for the temple involves lots of exact measurements, I think.


No idea.
But in general, I promote the concept of restricted omniptence for God here on earth. God can't create the square triangle, for instance because he somewhen set up the rule that triangles need to have three sides. At the start he could do anything, I think. But once a rule is set on earth, it is set, even for God, I suppose. That's my take on the issue at least.

So make God a semipotentate on account of he isn't omni after all.

Ok.

As for exact numbers, take a cord of some sort,
Put it around, oh, a big stock tank.
Measure in cubits, meters, whatever you like.

You figure to get an exact, precise number?
Think on that a bit.

With the line stretching, various other difficulties you would do very well to get within a half inch of the same number on your second try.

The thing cannot be perfectly round. Different diameter every place you measure.

Your tape measure is not perfect. The tank is
not perfect. Yiur eye and technique are not
perfect. It is flat out impossible to get an exact
measurement.

Cubits are not even standsrdized! Each one is different.

30 cubits, 10 cubits are approximate numbers.

Men don't do perfection even if a God could.

Can you accept that the numbersare approximate?

 

[Audie]

The one true God.

“Regard thou the one true God as One Who is apart from, and immeasurably exalted above, all created things. The whole universe reflecteth His glory, while He is Himself independent of, and transcendeth His creatures. This is the true meaning of Divine unity. He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being, Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation. All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things. This is what is meant by Divine unity; this is its fundamental principle.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 167

Your gleaner sure is verbose!
I could put all of that in one sentence.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The one true God.

“Regard thou the one true God as One Who is apart from, and immeasurably exalted above, all created things. The whole universe reflecteth His glory, while He is Himself independent of, and transcendeth His creatures. This is the true meaning of Divine unity. He Who is the Eternal Truth is the one Power Who exerciseth undisputed sovereignty over the world of being, Whose image is reflected in the mirror of the entire creation. All existence is dependent upon Him, and from Him is derived the source of the sustenance of all things. This is what is meant by Divine unity; this is its fundamental principle.”

Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 167

And all the other religions say they have the 1 true religion.

 

[Audie]

The triumph of belief over facts.

It would help if our writer were familiar with
the issues with precision in measurements.

That bronze sea would constantly change size and shape as temperature changed!

Cubit length changes with each heartbeat!

 

[Audie]

And all the other religions say they have the 1 true religion.

Think how lucky a guy has gotta be to pick
the one true one out of all the thousands.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Think how lucky a guy has gotta be to pick
the one true one out of all the thousands.

And every one believes they have it right!!!!

 

[Trailblazer]

You are long in the habit, dishonest by your admission here, of presenting opinion as fact.

I never said "the fact is that...." therefore I never presented my belief as a fact.