Should God show himself?

[Trailblazer]

As previously noted, the dishonest presentation of opinion as fact.

I never said:
The fact is that the unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die.

If I have to preface everything I say with "I believe" then atheists have to preface everything they say with "In my opinion."

 

[Trailblazer]

I could put all of that in one sentence.

Go ahead.

 

[Audie]

Go ahead.

You couldn't? If not you don't inderstand it.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I never said:
The fact is that the unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die.

If I have to preface everything I say with "I believe" then atheists have to preface everything they say with "In my opinion."

Not when they can back it up with proof.

 

[Trailblazer]

You couldn't? If not you don't inderstand it.

Why should I? It was not my idea.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not when they can back it up with proof.

Lol.

 

[Audie]

I never said:
The fact is that the unseen reality is not verifiable, but you will see it after you die.

If I have to preface everything I say with "I believe" then atheists have to preface everything they say with "In my opinion."

You stated those things as fact.
If you can't understand that, maybe try similar in court, a perjury charge might clarify the issues.

It is not about "everything" you say.
Nor everything atheists say.

Just statements of material fact tant are just
unevudenced opinion.

For those a simple 'IMO" will do.

But hey, continue as it suits! If you are addressing atheists, parroting turgid blather as
if it is cast iron fact is not real convincing,
but, who knows what your actual purpose is.

 

[Audie]

Why should I? It was not my idea.

Didn't think you understood what he said.
So never mind.

 

[Audie]

With the 1,000s of different versions of religions and the different versions of those religions, an appearance by God is long overdue. There also billions on Earth who would welcome the knowledge of its existence just to confirm which version of its being, religion, messenger, prophets are right.

By not showing itself it only confuses the issue and leaves open the possibility that it's just a manmade creation. No theist really wants that, even if their religion might not be exactly right at least they would know how close they are to the truth.

If it did then faith is meaningless.

 

[Bird123]

With the 1,000s of different versions of religions and the different versions of those religions, an appearance by God is long overdue. There also billions on Earth who would welcome the knowledge of its existence just to confirm which version of its being, religion, messenger, prophets are right.

By not showing itself it only confuses the issue and leaves open the possibility that it's just a manmade creation. No theist really wants that, even if their religion might not be exactly right at least they would know how close they are to the truth.

Religion is a man made creation.

Clearly you do not Understand what this world is all about and what God is doing.

It has never ever been about believing, following, praising or worshiping.

God does not show up because it would interfere with the lessons. God is never going to intimidate or coerce your choices. If God showed up, that is exactly what would happen.

Mankind could learn lessons on allowing free choices and freedom.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[1213]

With the 1,000s of different versions of religions and the different versions of those religions, an appearance by God is long overdue. There also billions on Earth who would welcome the knowledge of its existence just to confirm which version of its being, religion, messenger, prophets are right....

I think seeing God is not necessary for this. We have His teachings, like “love your neighbor as yourself”. If you disagree with that now, why would you agree with that after seeing God? I think we can decide are His teachings good and do we agree with it, even without seeing Him.

 

[Trailblazer]

Where is this verified?

In the spiritual world.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

If it did then faith is meaningless.

Faith with some will always triumph over reality.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I think seeing God is not necessary for this. We have His teachings, like “love your neighbor as yourself”. If you disagree with that now, why would you agree with that after seeing God? I think we can decide are His teachings good and do we agree with it, even without seeing Him.

What teaching are those? Once you claim it's only your religious teachings that are true, you need a personal appearance to verify that.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

In the spiritual world.

Can I get a bus, train, flight there?

 

[thomas t]

The triumph of belief over facts.

one question to you:
if God created one worm seperately - out of nothing - 1000 years ago, would you expect the facts to be any different today?
No, you wouldn't, I think.
But the entire Theory of Evolution would be false then.

Facts could very well support the Theory of Evolution.
Or the Theory of Evolution II, which is the Theroy of Evolution with common descent until 1000 years ago and then we have two common ancestors, right?
Or the Theory of Evolution III, which is the ToE with common descent until 2000 years and God created another worm ouf of dirt back then.
Or...
I could go on with that.
No, your facts cannot disprove divine interventions.
So this...

It did not create the Earth and the species on it

.. was a statement of faith. Your faith. To me, it is the triumph of belief over facts.

Can you accept that the numbersare approximate?

if you put it that way, I'd say that the orders given in the Bible were meant to be followed as well as possible to obtain the best standards possible at that time.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

one question to you:
if God created one worm seperately - out of nothing - 1000 years ago, would you expect the facts to be any different today?
No, you wouldn't, I think.
But the entire Theory of Evolution would be false then.
These facts could very well support the Theory of Evolution as tehri evidence.
Or the Theory of Evolution II, which is the Theroy of Evolution with common descent until 1000 years ago and then we have two common ancestors, right?
Or the Theory of Evolution III, which is the ToE with common descent until 2000 years and God created another worm ouf of dirt back then.
Or...
I could go on with that.
No, your facts cannot disprove divine interventions.
So this...

.. was a statement of faith. Your faith. To me, it is the triumph of belief over facts.

if you put it that way, I'd say that the orders given in the Bible were meant to be followed as well as possible to obtain the best standards possible at that time.

Please study how evolution works.

how does evolution work - Google Search

Ignorance is no defense.

My faith is backed up with centuries of science, understanding, proof, and a quest for knowledge. Your faith is backed by Bronze Age thinking.

Not knowing how evolution works is proof of that.

 

[Audie]

Faith with some will always triumph over reality.

As in this very thread.

Faith is so central a virtue in Xian theology,
I got to wondering why, but wasn't long to
notice that in the 100% absence of evidence a leap of faith is essential.

 

[Audie]

What teaching are those? Once you claim it's only your religious teachings that are true, you need a personal appearance to verify that.

What "teachings" are exclusive to Christianity, I wonder?

 

[Audie]

Can I get a bus, train, flight there?

If you roll your eyes heavenward in mock resignation you will see all there is to see.