PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
Picking and choosing what to believe isn't a very good method.
Because once you admit some is manmade you have to consider it's all manmade. It's either inspired bya god or not and just manmade twaddle.
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Should God show himself?
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Because once you admit some is manmade you have to consider it's all manmade. It's either inspired bya god or not and just manmade twaddle.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
More personal opinions.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
Do I believe those things happened in some form? Yes and probably.
Do I believe they had anything to do with a god? NO.
Do I believe gods are manmade? YES.
Audie
Veteran Member
Oh, you know, people do love to make things up.
Some are better at it than others.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
So there are no passages in any of the bibles that claim the opposite. What Does the Bible Say About God Wants Us To Love Him?
Audie
Veteran Member
Thar "were the eternal essence" thing is a marvel of overwriting! The whole thing could be said in 6 or 7 words. Kind of like what Mark Twain said of the BoM...'Take out 'and
it came to pass', and the whole book would be a pamphlet."
Ajarn
Member
What is Faith.
Believing something with the absence of evidence, this was created to make people believe in times like the crusades.
You faithless Blasphemous so and so your banished from our society.
People who are down, sad, hurting cling to hope that's why faith flourishes in slums, people want to believe.
The though of not existing after We Die, never seeing our kin again is to much to take so its easier to convince yourself something exist.
Truth is we have no idea.
Believing something with the absence of evidence, this was created to make people believe in times like the crusades.
You faithless Blasphemous so and so your banished from our society.
People who are down, sad, hurting cling to hope that's why faith flourishes in slums, people want to believe.
The though of not existing after We Die, never seeing our kin again is to much to take so its easier to convince yourself something exist.
Truth is we have no idea.
Audie
Veteran Member
The world wide flood, being a physical event of
enormous magnitude and impact would not fail to leave an indelible impression on the earth.
Indelible, obvious and everywhere.
In fact, though, none (zero) of the predictions
based on the flood model match the actual data.
Example of what I mean by prediction-
We have the model of the ice age, with massive glaciers. Areas glaciated always show the
typical, predicted signature of gladiator.
Central Park in NYC has exposed bedrock bearing glacial striae!
It would be startling, supernatural even if you
went north into Canada and found that, say,
Quebec showed no sign at all of glaciation.
No erratics, no eskers, nothing.
As improbable as if one reported to the police that ten thousand wild buffalo had rampages through his house, only to have the responding officers find the white carpet is spotless.
No hair, buffalo poop, small, hoofprints; the daisies untrampled and the back fence standing. Neighbours saw nothing, extensive aerial survey fails to find the thundering herd.
Predictions based on the report don't pan out.
The police will feel the story is falsified, will they not?
So it is with the flood. Absolutely no sign that it
happened is to be found anywhere.
This is reality.
This is where a person isn't want to figure if what they really like is reality, or a cherished story.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Keep fighting the rational fight, Audie.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Because, if I find the ideas presented in the matter to hold absolutely no weight, and can be easily displayed to have no actual observable or demonstrable support in what we must necessarily consider our "reality", and yet these ideas are somehow guiding the thoughts and actions of the people around me, who I must necessarily share a planet with - well you tell me - why WOULDN'T that be concerning?
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Though some people's opinions are informed by real-world circumstances, what is observable, demonstrable or verifiable. This is especially important for the opinions one has that inform their actions regarding the rest of the world around them.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Especially when a certain percentage of those individuals are infiltrating politics with their beliefs in order to rule on how I must live according to their beliefs.
No, sir!
But the earth that was flooded does not exist anymore according to 2 Peter 3:5-6.
So it seems possible to me that there is no evidence left.
God is a God of order, to me this is obvious from the whole Bible. He avoids traces of chaos caused by a world wide flood, it seems to me.
After all, this is not the world that was flooded.
If you had a wild buffalo having rampages through your house, and you replaced the whole house afterwards by a new one... will there be Buffalo poop left in the new one?
Thomas
Audie
Veteran Member
Ok, so the world was flooded then vanished, to be replaced by a new one?
And you say you base your faith on reality.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Showing itself? The Creator is not a creature, not an 'it'.
So first, define God.
Audie
Veteran Member
Come now.
Rocks are not creatures. We use the wotd "it" for rocks.
Asking for a definition of God is a semantic game as is the thing about referring to it as "it".
You seem to know something about this so called creator. You tell us what it is.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Audie
Veteran Member
I'm sure its uncomfortable to have untenable beliefs challenged.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God 101:
God is infallible so God cannot make a mistake...
Therefore God cannot EVER need any excuses for what He chooses to do or not do.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Lord is God, so you believe Jesus was God?
If Jesus had been God that would mean that many people have seen God, since many people saw Jesus.
But Jesus said that nobody has ever seen God at any time, so that means Jesus was not God.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.