Should God show himself?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

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Just to add a little bit of science and knowledge to the silliness.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The answer to what?

I did not say that education is not the answer to anything, I said I am not going to make you a list...
Instead of a list, here is what Baha'u'llah wrote about the importance of education.

“Man is the supreme Talisman. Lack of a proper education hath, however, deprived him of that which he doth inherently possess. Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being; by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education; by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded. The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.” Gleanings, pp. 259-260

However, Baha'u'llah also wrote that education is of two kinds, universal education and education confined to this Revelation.

“Consider, for instance, the revelation of the light of the Name of God, the Educator. Behold, how in all things the evidences of such a revelation are manifest, how the betterment of all beings dependeth upon it. This education is of two kinds. The one is universal. Its influence pervadeth all things and sustaineth them. It is for this reason that God hath assumed the title, “Lord of all worlds.” The other is confined to them that have come under the shadow of this Name, and sought the shelter of this most mighty Revelation. They, however, that have failed to seek this shelter, have deprived themselves of this privilege, and are powerless to benefit from the spiritual sustenance that hath been sent down through the heavenly grace of this Most Great Name.” Gleanings, pp. 189-190

So educating people that Bahaullah is right is the key.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don’t claim so. The point is, we have the teachings in the Bible and the question is, do you agree or not. If you would agree only when you see God, I think it would not be genuine.

Some of the teachings are good and now stand as law in modern countries. Many are very bad and confined to the scrap heap.

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[Trailblazer]

So educating people that Bahaullah is right is the key.

That is a complete straw man. I never said that or even implied it.

I guess you did not understand the passages regarding education that I cited. Either that or you just don't give a rip and this is just a game for you. That is what I suspect, so that is why you are not hearing much from me anymore.

You only have one life on this earth, and if you want to waste it poking fun of religion that is your choice because you have free will. Just don't expect me to waste my time with you.

All you had to do is ask me if you did not understand what Baha'u'llah wrote, if you wanted to know.

 

[ajay0]

All attempts to make a human god are distractions from one G-d, I understand. Right, please?

Regards

Obviously the highest priority should be given to the one God.

But enlightened masters like Christ, Krishna, Shirdi Sai Baba, Salimuddin Chisti have also manifested auspiciousness which have helped many people.

This is why Hindus worship Hindu enlightened masters and address them as Bhagavan, though these enlightened masters themselves, from what I have seen, have given the highest priority to the incorporeal God Himself.

Hindus also worship in the dargahs of Sufi enlightened sages due to its reputation for auspiciousness, and answering of prayers.

I don't think there is anything wrong in this provided they keep in mind the one incorporeal God as well and do not forget Him in the process, as well as understanding the fact that they too are capable of enlightenment and auspiciousness from within.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

That is a complete straw man. I never said that or even implied it.

I guess you did not understand the passages regarding education that I cited. Either that or you just don't give a rip and this is just a game for you. That is what I suspect, so that is why you are not hearing much from me anymore.

You only have one life on this earth, and if you want to waste it poking fun of religion that is your choice because you have free will. Just don't expect me to waste my time with you.

All you had to do is ask me if you did not understand what Baha'u'llah wrote, if you wanted to know.

“Man is the supreme Talisman. Lack of a proper education hath, however, deprived him of that which he doth inherently possess. Through a word proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being; by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education; by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded. The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom.” Gleanings, pp. 259-260

However, Baha'u'llah also wrote that education is of two kinds, universal education and education confined to this Revelation.

“Consider, for instance, the revelation of the light of the Name of God, the Educator. Behold, how in all things the evidences of such a revelation are manifest, how the betterment of all beings dependeth upon it. This education is of two kinds. The one is universal. Its influence pervadeth all things and sustaineth them. It is for this reason that God hath assumed the title, “Lord of all worlds.” The other is confined to them that have come under the shadow of this Name, and sought the shelter of this most mighty Revelation. They, however, that have failed to seek this shelter, have deprived themselves of this privilege, and are powerless to benefit from the spiritual sustenance that hath been sent down through the heavenly grace of this Most Great Name.” Gleanings, pp. 189-190

Yes please do explain why it talks of educating people into what he believes and has no basis in what is true.

I want my children to be educated about the real world, not some make-believe fantasy world that education should teach them to confine to fictional stories.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes please do explain why it talks of educating people into what he believes and has no basis in what is true.

Baha'u'llah did not have to believe anything, He had knowledge from God.

I want my children to be educated about the real world, not some make-believe fantasy world that education should teach them to confine to fictional stories.

What you believe is real only bears the semblance of reality.

“The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality. Set not your affections upon it. Break not the bond that uniteth you with your Creator, and be not of those that have erred and strayed from His ways. Verily I say, the world is like the vapor in a desert, which the thirsty dreameth to be water and striveth after it with all his might, until when he cometh unto it, he findeth it to be mere illusion.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 328-329

That is no different from what Jesus said in John 12:24-26 and Matthew 16:23-26.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Baha'u'llah did not have to believe anything, He had knowledge from God.

What you believe is real only bears the semblance of reality.

“The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality. ..
uniteth, dreameth, striveth, cometh, findeth.

Since there is no God or Allah, your Iranian preacher could believe whatever he wanted.
Now he is talking like a Buddhist or an Advitist Hindu. If the world is a vain and empty show, a mere nothing, why did your God or Allah create such a vain show?
All these words have a read line below them. They are grammatically incorrect. That tells us about the person who translated from Iranian. Vain show-man, trying to show as if the words were ancient and not written in 19th Century. Who did the translation? Shoghi? Did he not know modern English? What was he trying to prove?

 

[Trailblazer]

Since there is no God or Allah, your Iranian preacher could believe whatever he wanted.
Now he is talking like a Buddhist or an Advitist Hindu. If the world is a vain and empty show, a mere nothing, why did your God or Allah create such a vain show?

The purpose of life in this world is to acquire the spiritual qualities we will need in the spiritual world.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Don't know what is need in the 'spiritual world', but we need it here.
And you say that it is possible only if we take refuge in your 19th Century Iranian preacher?

 

[thomas t]

Also Google how they estimate the age of fossils, bones and different species.

I google what I want, Paul.

Conerning dating methods... there are plenty of passages in the Bible that show that the dating methods, if apllied correctly, would have pointed to a wrong age.
Let me give an example: In Cana, Jesus turned water into wine.
When a scientist would have been there to apply a dating method to that newly won substance, the scientist would have found that that the wine is at least 6 months old. This is the time wine needs to become actual wine, in general.
I see it that way: when miracles are involved, it's normal that a good dating method would point to a wrong age.

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99.9 percent of species extinct - Google Search

Just to add a little bit of science and knowledge to the silliness.

I don't have any of the silliness you're mentioning.

 

[thomas t]

Remember, the only ones defending that which has zero evidence to support itself are the apologists.

I don't agree.
Atheists often claim there is no evidence for God.
I see great evidence for a loving God.
Consider the beauty we perceive in nature.
That's great evidence for a loving creator, I think.

Here is where we used to go on holidays when I grew up. No evolutionary requirement for that island to look this beautiful in combination with the sky and the ship - it's evidence for creation, I think.
https://pixabay.com/photos/langeoog-island-east-frisia-coast-4134704/

 

[Audie]

Someone care to post photos of, oh, say,
various human parasites such as filaia or eye worms?

Beauty and proof of dat loving' god, ya know.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Baha'u'llah did not have to believe anything, He had knowledge from God.

What you believe is real only bears the semblance of reality.

“The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality. Set not your affections upon it. Break not the bond that uniteth you with your Creator, and be not of those that have erred and strayed from His ways. Verily I say, the world is like the vapor in a desert, which the thirsty dreameth to be water and striveth after it with all his might, until when he cometh unto it, he findeth it to be mere illusion.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 328-329

That is no different from what Jesus said in John 12:24-26 and Matthew 16:23-26.

No, he didn't. He claimed to have knowledge from god, that's very different.

The problem with his knowledge is it's not of much use in the modern world. Teaching people about a fake idea of god doesn't stop the killing, persecution put food in their stomachs, a roof over their heads, cure their ills, and so much more.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The purpose of life in this world is to acquire the spiritual qualities we will need in the spiritual world.

It's not. There is no such place and the proof is in all the different ideas of what's there or not there.

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...JgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=psy-ab

You believe the one someone tells you about.

 

[thomas t]

Someone care to post photos of, oh, say,
various human parasites such as filaia or eye worms?

Beauty and proof of dat loving' god, ya know.

but God also gave medication as a cure for these things, in my opinion. Eye worms are no equivalent of a death sentence today.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I google what I want, Paul.

Conerning dating methods... there are plenty of passages in the Bible that show that the dating methods, if apllied correctly, would have pointed to a wrong age.
Let me give an example: In Cana, Jesus turned water into wine.
When a scientist would have been there to apply a dating method to that newly won substance, the scientist would have found that that the wine is at least 6 months old. This is the time wine needs to become actual wine, in general.
I see it that way: when miracles are involved, it's normal that a good dating method would point to a wrong age.

I don't have any of the silliness you're mentioning.

Don't Google anything that might help you.

Would you keep slaves if it was against the law? https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...&ved=0ahUKEwjT-Oqci4LtAhUJfBoKHc23BVgQ4dUDCA0

You're a god-fearing person so obviously if the law allowed it the bible says you can.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I don't agree.
Atheists often claim there is no evidence for God.
I see great evidence for a loving God.
Consider the beauty we perceive in nature.
That's great evidence for a loving creator, I think.

Here is where we used to go on holidays when I grew up. No evolutionary requirement for that island to look this beautiful in combination with the sky and the ship - it's evidence for creation, I think.
https://pixabay.com/photos/langeoog-island-east-frisia-coast-4134704/

So did he create Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Volcanos, disease as well.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I google what I want, Paul.

Conerning dating methods... there are plenty of passages in the Bible that show that the dating methods, if apllied correctly, would have pointed to a wrong age.
Let me give an example: In Cana, Jesus turned water into wine.
When a scientist would have been there to apply a dating method to that newly won substance, the scientist would have found that that the wine is at least 6 months old. This is the time wine needs to become actual wine, in general.
I see it that way: when miracles are involved, it's normal that a good dating method would point to a wrong age.

I don't have any of the silliness you're mentioning.

Don't Google anything that might help you.

Would you keep slaves if it was against the law? https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...&ved=0ahUKEwjT-Oqci4LtAhUJfBoKHc23BVgQ4dUDCA0

You're a god-fearing person so obviously if the law allowed it the bible says you can.

 

[Audie]

No, he didn't. He claimed to have knowledge from god, that's very different.

The problem with his knowledge is it's not of much use in the modern world. Teaching people about a fake idea of god doesn't stop the killing, persecution put food in their stomachs, a roof over their heads, cure their ills, and so much more.

This "god " we keep hearing about sure does not reveal itself in the ****ty prose it inspires.
This B... guy's writing is a turgid mess.
Ever try to read the book of Mormon?