Should God show himself?

[Salty Booger]

Always where you least expect it.


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[Brickjectivity]

So any God capable of proving themselves, wouldn't be God.

God is something we choose to believe in, not something proven to us. Its a moral choice I think, nothing else possible. Otherwise we're talking about some lesser degree of divinity.

 

[SigurdReginson]

Always where you least expect it.

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I want this guy to be god, and I want him to have the personality of tommy from parks and recreation...

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Only one who doubt ask for proof.

And truly... what is wrong with doubt?

 

[Jainarayan]

Many if not most Hindus will say God shows Himself or Herself 24/7. God is present in (and is) all living things, what is seen and unseen, known and unknown, animate and inanimate. The scriptures say sarvam khalvidam brahma “all this verily is Brahman”.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hmmm... Why is doubt such a bad thing, though? And why would god require faith to lead one to conclude that he exists? I feel like faith is probably the worst way to require one to achieve an accurate result, otherwise it would be admissable in courts as evidence, imo.

my answer was only my personal thought, i dont have a clear answer

 

[sun rise]

Would be nice if he could sprinkle a little hard evidence in there, too. Maybe like a solid, indestructible satelite containsing his message in every written language that has ever existed, is currently existing, or would exist in the future. Something like that would be a bit more concrete in the evidence department..

That would be aliens with technology far in advance of ours using Clarke's Third Law to get us to submit to their will, of course.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Your qoute of my words are not my words

 

[sun rise]

I am of the view that God makes an appearance in every second of every day, and every moment in between.

To use a bit of humor, God loves "hide and seek". He hides in the human heart and asks us to seek him there.

Kabir revealed to us: Spiritual quotes of Kabir

Does [the Muslim's God] Khuda, live only in the mosque?
Is [the Hindu's God] Ram, only in idols and holy grounds?
Have you searched and found Him there?
You imagine that Hari [Vishnu] is in the East, and Allah is in the West;
But search for Him only in the heart-that is where Ram and Karim both live.
Which, then, is false, the Quran or the Vedas? False is the man who does not see the Truth.
It is One; It is the same One in all. How can you imagine that It is two?
Says Kabir: 0 Lord, every man and every woman are Your own forms;
I am the simple child of Allah-Ram; He is my Guru, my Pir
Brother, where did your two gods come from? Ram, Allah; Keshav, Karim; Hari, Hazrat-so many names!
There may be many golden ornaments, but there is one gold; it has no two-ness in it.
Merely for the sake of exposition, we make of the One, two.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Your qoute of my words are not my words

Oops... I fixed it.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I think, a true believer does not ask for God to physically prove that God exist, the teaching in it self will reveal the existence of God. And when practicing according to the teaching a person will gain the answers within them self.

Only one who doubt ask for proof.

This is only my own thoughts about the question in the OP

At the moment Muslims follow the different teaching of Mohammed and some his followers. You can't know which one is right, you can only believe.

Did Mohammed physically write the Quoran himself?

Or is it like Jesus and all you have are what people think/want he said?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Does [the Muslim's God] Khuda, live only in the mosque?
Is [the Hindu's God] Ram, only in idols and holy grounds?
Have you searched and found Him there?
You imagine that Hari [Vishnu] is in the East, and Allah is in the West;
But search for Him only in the heart-that is where Ram and Karim both live.
Which, then, is false, the Quran or the Vedas? False is the man who does not see the Truth.
It is One; It is the same One in all. How can you imagine that It is two?
Says Kabir: 0 Lord, every man and every woman are Your own forms;
I am the simple child of Allah-Ram; He is my Guru, my Pir
Brother, where did your two gods come from? Ram, Allah; Keshav, Karim; Hari, Hazrat-so many names!
There may be many golden ornaments, but there is one gold; it has no two-ness in it.
Merely for the sake of exposition, we make of the One, two.

Do people seriously feel that these types of things sound wise?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I think, a true believer does not ask for God to physically prove that God exist, the teaching in it self will reveal the existence of God. And when practicing according to the teaching a person will gain the answers within them self.

Only one who doubt ask for proof.

This is only my own thoughts about the question in the OP

Here is a scene from the Qur'an which reveals why Allah can never be seen and is not see-able:
7:143
And when Musa came at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said: My Lord! show me (Thyself), so that I may look upon Thee. He said: You cannot (bear to) see Me but look at the mountain, if it remains firm in its place, then will you see Me; but when his Lord manifested His glory to the mountain He made it crumble to dust and Musa fell down in a swoon; then when he recovered, he said: subhanaka tubtu ilayka, I turn to Thee, and I am the first of the believers.

subhanaka tubtu ilayka

"You are Void (Subhan)"

Allah is literally Void, Non-Information, Can never ever be seen for real, because Allah is not information, and only information can be seen. There is nothing to see. We see all the evidence of Allah who is controlling everything, but will never ever see anything, and if you do see anything, that is never ever Allah, because Allah is not made of "stuff", is not "stuff", is not information, but is Non-Information, Non-Stuff, is Void, Chaos (meaning Void also).

6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp encompasses all visions. He is beyond our comprehension, but He comprehends all.

So whoever thinks Allah can be seen, or will ever be seen, or is seeing Allah, they are simply wrong, what they are seeing is not Allah and can never be Allah, as there is nothing to see, visual "stuff" is "information" and Allah is not that, is Non-Information, something Other than "stuff", and Stuff/Information is what Allah generates moment to moment, that is Allah's power (which in Sanskrit might be called Maya, the power to generate "illusions" which are information or visuals and experiences or "stuff"), Allah has the intrinsic power to generate "stuff" or "appearances" or "information" but is not "information" and was not generated by anything, was always existing first of all and is the only thing which actually exists, is without dimensions, is without space, is without distances, is without laws, is without constraints, before any images, before any conditions, is unconditioned, is Void, Sunyata, Emptiness, all those famous terms, Ayin, all of them refer to the "Like Nothing" and "Literally Like Nothing" that is Allah's true essential basic form, never to be seen except through "Apparent Action" and all these things manifested.

Allah is compared to "Light", but if you study Light, you realize that Light is itself invisible, you can't actually see light directly ever, it is only ever seen if it is reflects upon a surface or is reflected upon (metaphorically), and so Allah similarly, makes things visible, makes things manifest, reveals things, and becomes apparent, but is essentially invisible, only known through influence and action, can not be seen directly "as is" because Allah is not seeable or made of seeable things or anything really, is Non-Stuff, so not material, but what produces the material after it and within itself which is like this sort of stuff we experience and see and everything else.

No vision can ever encompass or grasp anything of Allah who is Literally Like Nothing, having no appearance or physical dimensions of any sort, no limitations, nothing like that, is Unlike Everything we know and see, is even Unlike Laws which have structure and properties and dimensions and limits.

Allah's Power is also unlike anything else, since Allah alone can produce and generate Information / Experience / "Stuff".

That is the God of the Qur'an (and many other religions) which many people (even those in those religions) can not know, understand, or accept.

Even Musa apparently had the wrong idea until the moment that Allah made this event occur in his experience to give him a better understanding, so that he was made to say "Subhan Are You!" meaning "You Are Void!" You are Like Nothing, but Allah is not "True Nothing" which can not exist, or perform any task, has no power at all, and nothing else would exist if there was ever True Nothing, but Allah is "Like Nothing", except exists, has the power to generate reality or experiences or information instantaneously and effortlessly, and the drive to do so, and furthermore the Choice of what to do and when to do it in every detail, which is the beginning of the Intelligence, so that Allah is the First and truly Only Sentience and Mind (known in Sanskrit as Citta).

Cit (consciousness) - Wikipedia

Satcitananda - Wikipedia

"
Sunya and Sunyatisunya are concepts which appear in some Shaiva texts, such as the Vijñāna Bhairava Tantra, which contains several verses mentioning voidness as a feature of ultimate reality - Shiva:

"The Absolute void is Bhairava who is beyond the senses and the mind, beyond all the categories of these instruments. From the point of view of the human mins, He is most void. from the point of view of Reality, He is most full, for He is the source of all manifestation."[130]
"

Śūnyatā - Wikipedia

Ayin and Yesh - Wikipedia

"
David ben Abraham ha-Laban, a 14th-century kabbalist, says:

Nothingness (ayin) is more existent than all the being of the world. But since it is simple, and all simple things are complex compared with its simplicity, it is called ayin.[6]

Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi says:

AYIN means No-Thing. AYIN is beyond Existence, separate from any-thing. AYIN is Absolute Nothing. AYIN is not above or below. Neither is AYIN still or in motion. There is nowhere where AYIN is, for AYIN is not. AYIN is soundless, but neither is it silence. Nor is AYIN a void – and yet out of the zero of AYIN'S no-thingness comes the one of EIN SOF[7]
"
There is no Other God, and anything that people think is "A God" which they can see, or which has some physical qualities, dimensions, limitations, is not the God of which we speak or consider the Ultimate or True Controller and Manifesting Power. That is Only Ever the Imageless Generator of All Images, the Formless Generator of All Forms, etc.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And truly... what is wrong with doubt?

It is no wrong in doubt. Its normal to doubt sometimes.
What i meant to say, one who believe in God will if practicing correctly shred the doubt, its just a part of the practice, in my understanding

 

[Spirit of Light]

Here is a scene from the Qur'an which reveals why Allah can never be seen and is not see-able:
7:143
And when Musa came at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said: My Lord! show me (Thyself), so that I may look upon Thee. He said: You cannot (bear to) see Me but look at the mountain, if it remains firm in its place, then will you see Me; but when his Lord manifested His glory to the mountain He made it crumble to dust and Musa fell down in a swoon; then when he recovered, he said: subhanaka tubtu ilayka, I turn to Thee, and I am the first of the believers.

subhanaka tubtu ilayka

"You are Void (Subhan)"

Allah is literally Void, Non-Information, Can never ever be seen for real, because Allah is not information, and only information can be seen. There is nothing to see. We see all the evidence of Allah who is controlling everything, but will never ever see anything, and if you do see anything, that is never ever Allah, because Allah is not made of "stuff", is not "stuff", is not information, but is Non-Information, Non-Stuff, is Void, Chaos (meaning Void also).

6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp encompasses all visions. He is beyond our comprehension, but He comprehends all.

So whoever thinks Allah can be seen, or will ever be seen, or is seeing Allah, they are simply wrong, what they are seeing is not Allah and can never be Allah, as there is nothing to see, visual "stuff" is "information" and Allah is not that, is Non-Information, something Other than "stuff", and Stuff/Information is what Allah generates moment to moment, that is Allah's power (which in Sanskrit might be called Maya, the power to generate "illusions" which are information or visuals and experiences or "stuff"), Allah has the intrinsic power to generate "stuff" or "appearances" or "information" but is not "information" and was not generated by anything, was always existing first of all and is the only thing which actually exists, is without dimensions, is without space, is without distances, is without laws, is without constraints, before any images, before any conditions, is unconditioned, is Void, Sunyata, Emptiness, all those famous terms, Ayin, all of them refer to the "Like Nothing" and "Literally Like Nothing" that is Allah's true essential basic form, never to be seen except through "Apparent Action" and all these things manifested.

Allah is compared to "Light", but if you study Light, you realize that Light is itself invisible, you can't actually see light directly ever, it is only ever seen if it is reflects upon a surface or is reflected upon (metaphorically), and so Allah similarly, makes things visible, makes things manifest, reveals things, and becomes apparent, but is essentially invisible, only known through influence and action, can not be seen directly "as is" because Allah is not seeable or made of seeable things or anything really, is Non-Stuff, so not material, but what produces the material after it and within itself which is like this sort of stuff we experience and see and everything else.

No vision can ever encompass or grasp anything of Allah who is Literally Like Nothing, having no appearance or physical dimensions of any sort, no limitations, nothing like that, is Unlike Everything we know and see, is even Unlike Laws which have structure and properties and dimensions and limits.

Allah's Power is also unlike anything else, since Allah alone can produce and generate Information / Experience / "Stuff".

That is the God of the Qur'an (and many other religions) which many people (even those in those religions) can not know, understand, or accept.

Even Musa apparently had the wrong idea until the moment that Allah made this event occur in his experience to give him a better understanding, so that he was made to say "Subhan Are You!" meaning "You Are Void!" You are Like Nothing, but Allah is not "True Nothing" which can not exist, or perform any task, has no power at all, and nothing else would exist if there was ever True Nothing, but Allah is "Like Nothing", except exists, has the power to generate reality or experiences or information instantaneously and effortlessly, and the drive to do so, and furthermore the Choice of what to do and when to do it in every detail, which is the beginning of the Intelligence, so that Allah is the First and truly Only Sentience and Mind (known in Sanskrit as Citta).

Cit (consciousness) - Wikipedia

Satcitananda - Wikipedia

"
Sunya and Sunyatisunya are concepts which appear in some Shaiva texts, such as the Vijñāna Bhairava Tantra, which contains several verses mentioning voidness as a feature of ultimate reality - Shiva:

"The Absolute void is Bhairava who is beyond the senses and the mind, beyond all the categories of these instruments. From the point of view of the human mins, He is most void. from the point of view of Reality, He is most full, for He is the source of all manifestation."[130]
"

Śūnyatā - Wikipedia

Ayin and Yesh - Wikipedia

"
David ben Abraham ha-Laban, a 14th-century kabbalist, says:

Nothingness (ayin) is more existent than all the being of the world. But since it is simple, and all simple things are complex compared with its simplicity, it is called ayin.[6]

Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi says:

AYIN means No-Thing. AYIN is beyond Existence, separate from any-thing. AYIN is Absolute Nothing. AYIN is not above or below. Neither is AYIN still or in motion. There is nowhere where AYIN is, for AYIN is not. AYIN is soundless, but neither is it silence. Nor is AYIN a void – and yet out of the zero of AYIN'S no-thingness comes the one of EIN SOF[7]
"
There is no Other God, and anything that people think is "A God" which they can see, or which has some physical qualities, dimensions, limitations, is not the God of which we speak or consider the Ultimate or True Controller and Manifesting Power. That is Only Ever the Imageless Generator of All Images, the Formless Generator of All Forms, etc.

My answer in this thread is my own words and understanding, not from the quran

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

At the moment Muslims follow the different teaching of Mohammed and some his followers. You can't know which one is right, you can only believe.

Did Mohammed physically write the Quoran himself?

Or is it like Jesus and all you have are what people think/want he said?

The Qur'an is supposed to be the words spoke to Muhammed, as relayed by Muhammed, not the words of Muhammed by Muhammed. So its supposed to be what was being said to and through Muhammed, which Muhammed then uttered, so when its talking, its talking to him, rather than from him or by him.

Then the Hadiths, which are different books made later on, are supposed to be collections of stories that are told about him, so similar to how people tell stories about Jesus in the Gospels and all that.

The Qur'an is not written in the style of other books because of this unique gimmick of style which "Speaks to Muhammed" throughout and tells him what to say or do.

It is unique, you should give it a read maybe www.islamawakened.com

 

[Spirit of Light]

At the moment Muslims follow the different teaching of Mohammed and some his followers. You can't know which one is right, you can only believe.

Did Mohammed physically write the Quoran himself?

Or is it like Jesus and all you have are what people think/want he said?

In my understanding it was followers of Muhammad who wrote it down, of course i can be wrong, i was not there to see it.

Yes its my belief i speak of.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

it isn't a she anymore than it's a he. the image of god is male/female like adam and eve before the split, in the abrahamic religion

I always try to refer to god as an "IT".

 

[sun rise]

Do people seriously feel that these types of things sound wise?

Yes. Absolutely. I do.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I am of the view that God makes an appearance in every second of every day, and every moment in between. Choosing which religious path works for you, has to do with you. If it brings you closer to God, then it is the right path for you. From God's perspective, I'm pretty sure it's understood that all religions are just man's attempts to understand the Divine. God could care less about which is "right" because they are all partial truths anyway. To me, God cares that you find the Divine, not believe in the "right" religion. If it works, mission accomplished.

I've never understood this thing about finding a god to fit the individual other than it being proof god is manmade.