Brian2
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The News is where most of us get our knowledge of extreme Muslims who make war and not peace.
Is the News wrong?
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The News is where most of us get our knowledge of extreme Muslims who make war and not peace.
Is the News wrong?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
This:
"O believers, when you are journeying in the path of God, be discriminating, and do not say to him who offers you a greeting, 'Thou art not a believer,' seeking the chance goods of the present life. With God are spoils abundant. So you were aforetime; but God has been gracious to you. So be discriminating; surely God is aware of the things you do." Quran 4:94
Shakeel
Well-Known Member
This isn't about telling someone "you are a disbeliever", but about acknowledging that disbelievers are disbelievers. For instance, denying that Christians are disbelievers.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats not relevant. Though its very ignorant to think news is your source of knowledge on anything of this nature, this is not about some extreme Muslims who make war and not peace. Maybe you like this type of NEWS but I will give you the context of this discussion. Read post #37.
Cheers.
Do all Sufis reject this teaching, or is it only you who rejects it?
Wikipedia disagrees with you (as do a few other websites I've perused).
Sufism (Arabic: ٱلصُّوفِيَّة), also known as Tasawwuf[1] (Arabic: ٱلتَّصَوُّف), is mysticism[2] in Islam, "characterized ... [by particular] values, ritual practices,[3] doctrines and institutions".[4] It is variously defined as "Islamic mysticism",[4][5][6] "the inward dimension of Islam"[7][8] or "the phenomenon of mysticism within Islam".[9][10] Sufism began very early in Islamic history[9] and represents "the main manifestation and the most important and central crystallization of" mystical practice in Islam.[11][12]
Sufism - Wikipedia
Do you have anything to support this as anything other than your personal opinion?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I don't think the view of Quran is to tell Muslims to judge others. I think the judgement is with God. It just gves a sense of "we are better than them", because we are believers and others are disbelievers, and this feeling of "I am better than you" is called Kibr in Quran.
Many times, there are believers that, eventually loose their faith, and become disbelievers and many times, the disbelievers may eventually become a believer even at the time of death. So, no body knows their own end. Only God knows.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
Precisely.
firedragon
Veteran Member
It's just like any other theology. Depends on time, place, necessity and political situation. The Sufi order is pretty small in comparison to Sunni's, so it is not widespread enough to make a noise about anything. Al Ghazali who was a very well known muslim or Sunni was a famous Sufi. Thus, he was called a polymath. But at certain points in time, depending on various things the Sufi's have taken power roles, revolts and various positions. But the early polymathic approach has seen a bit of a decline since of late, and there is a trend of turning more sectarian in division from Sunni and Shii identities. In history Sufi orders have fought against predominantly the British empire and were called terrorists by the empires specific leadership of the region concerned. Within the Sufi order there are divisions with one side calling for political dominance in some regions, and some leaders calling for the other Sufi's demise. This regional sectarian sentiment sometimes spreads across the globe because Sufi's will have a particular order. A kind of a pope like person. So even if the Sufi masjid or group is in lets say Tasmania, if they are of that particular order, these sentiments will be taught there.
So through time, sudden propping ups of this level oh anger comes through, but just like in history, harmony also will come up. Right now this is political. Thats why were seeing this.
Shakeel
Well-Known Member
Yes. Islam. Islam is not studied from Wikipedia and it's funny people think if something is mentioned in Wikipedia it is automatically true or real. Don't they teach children soon after kindergarten that Wikipedia is not a proper source?
Neither are random strangers on the internet.
Shakeel
Well-Known Member
God judges in the Qur'an many times. We judge according to that and what we find in the hadiths. This is difficult for many to understand, I don't know why. If someone is stealing and another person say, "don't do that," would you say, "you can't judge him - only the court can do that." No, you wouldn't, because you know that stealing is wrong. You don't need to wait for the judge to tell you that.
Shakeel
Well-Known Member
I never asked anyone to believe me. Unlike sufism, islam is not soemthig you have to learn from a teacher. You can go to Google and find all you need to know. I know you don't want to believe me. And it is interesting how many non-Muslims get upset when I tell them what they do is wrong according to Islam. You would think they didn't care if they don't believe in Islam, wouldn't you?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
To all who take part in this OP started by me, I do not mean harm to anyone, nor do i want bad words use against each others, that was not why i started this OP.
You are of course free to have your own opinion or view of sufism.
You can tell me i am not a muslim, its ok, only Allah will judge me on that one day.
This thread Just as many other thread started by me was not intended to be about me as a person, but certain questions asked, do make it about me as a person. Sorry about that.
You are of course free to have your own opinion or view of sufism.
You can tell me i am not a muslim, its ok, only Allah will judge me on that one day.
This thread Just as many other thread started by me was not intended to be about me as a person, but certain questions asked, do make it about me as a person. Sorry about that.
As a sufi and muslim there are rules and guidelines i should be following, but i can not understand why i should push my belief on to others.
Some muslims seem to want to convert or killthose who are non muslims. How about the freedom of choice to believe what you want?
Should not muslims show how love and compassion is done, to everyone
Actually what muslims call non believers may actually have a faith and belief them self.
Maybe it is time to look within our self and ask.
How am i as a human being? Am i doing thing things i should do?
Why am i complaining on others if i can not even be good my self.
Any thoughts?
Apparently that is the freedom to believe as long as we die for our beliefs.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Not sure i will die because of my belief, but old age
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
If someone is stealing, Quran asks people to punish him. But where does Quran say, go and check on people to see of they are disbelievers, and if someone is a disbeliever, punish him, or even blame him? Quote verse if you say this is what Quran tells you.
Personally I think you should have been around @Conscious thoughts long enough to know he is not a hate preacher.
As to your question who are these Muslims who want to kill or control non-Muslims, there have been extensive studies on Muslim views concerning such things throughout the Middle East and North Africa region, if you are unaware of them I direct you to The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society
However I would like to point out that if you are unaware of these matters for the length of time you have been on religious forums it is strange for you to be ignorant of Muslim attitudes in the MENA region. On the other hand if you *are* aware of these attitudes and are bashing Concious thoughts as a hate preacher in order to silence legitimate criticism of Islam for your own personal gain this doesn't reflect well on you either.
In my opinion
firedragon
Veteran Member
I didnt know you could read someones mind. In the future when ever I have a question from anyone else in the forum, I will ask you first because you will know exactly what is in their thoughts.
Thanks.
Of course there is no legitimate reason why anyone who knows the answer couldn't factually address the question involved
In my opinion