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[Starlight]

The problem is he keeps denying Islam's basic tenets. It's not the fact that he calls himself a sufi that's the problem. It would be weird, but it isn't necessarily a problem. The problem is he keeps saying words of disbelief day after day after day. So he is actively denying that he believes in Islam. If you're not happy with that you have to speak to him about it.

I haven't said to anyone that they are a disbeliever.

He do not denying islam's basic tendens. He practice sufi Islam. Islam is understood and practiced in many different ways. Shia, Sufi, Sunni, Quranism, Salafi and many more

 

[Trailblazer]

Maybe, but his faith isn't Islam so the best he could be is a true sufi, whatever that means these days.

That is like a Trinitarian Christian saying that a Jehovah's witness is not a true Christian because they do not believe in the Trinity.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

He likes any post he thinks defends him. No matter what blasphemy or absurdities it contains. Also, he would probably like to go with the flow and pretend that, yes, that's just what he meant. Why backtrack when you made him a good excuse not to answer any further questions. It's not the first time.

So where can I buy that mindreading device that you're using?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Maybe, but his faith isn't Islam so the best he could be is a true sufi, whatever that means these days.

Your no-true scotsman, is noted.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The problem is he keeps denying Islam's basic tenets.

In your opinion.

You sound like a catholic yapping about a protestant (or vice versa).

So he is actively denying that he believes in Islam.

No. That's what YOU say about him.
It's not what he says.

If you're not happy with that you have to speak to him about it.

Why would we speak with @Conscious thoughts for the words YOU are trying to put in his mouth?

I haven't said to anyone that they are a disbeliever.

You did just that in the post I'm responding to.

 

[Spirit of Light]

In your opinion.

You sound like a catholic yapping about a protestant (or vice versa).



No. That's what YOU say about him.
It's not what he says.



Why would we speak with @Conscious thoughts for the words YOU are trying to put in his mouth?



You did just that in the post I'm responding to.

Let him think yhat he know me and belief, he does not harm me or my belief. The only one he hurting is him self.

No worries i have already forgiven him for spreading false rumors about my belief.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No worries i have already forgiven him for spreading false rumors about my belief.

Well, I have not!

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well, I have not!

I wish you would be able to

 

[Shakeel]

OK, so, you are making your own conclusion. What you are saying is not stated in the Quran.
And if you cannot back it up with verses of the Quran, why should your conclusion be considered as true Islam?

I explained twice. I know you people don't like logic so, never mind. It's why I don't debate Baha'is or shias. It's endless dodgeball.

 

[Shakeel]

You lie again. His faith is Islam

Your arguments could be slightly upgraded in their usefulness. We're not 5. Or at least, I'm not.

 

[Shakeel]

He do not denying islam's basic tendens. He practice sufi Islam

He just denied jihad? Seriously, get a grip. That's like saying 2+2 is not 4.

Islam is understood and practiced in many different ways.

It's practiced in the correct way and some people try to practice it, but do it the incorrect way, and people like the sufis don't even try to practice it, but invent lies about it instead. Everybody wants to call themselves a Muslim because they know Islam is true. But not everybody wants to practice Islam. It isn't always easy. People want easy.

 

[Shakeel]

That is like a Trinitarian Christian saying that a Jehovah's witness is not a true Christian because they do not believe in the Trinity.

And?

 

[Shakeel]

So where can I buy that mindreading device that you're using?

It's the talent of honest observation. Can't be bought.

 

[Shakeel]

Your no-true scotsman, is noted.

I don't think that is one. But I'm not an expert in these terms you all use trying to avoid addressing any actual argument included in any given post.

 

[Shakeel]

In your opinion.

Again. 1+1=2. You can deny it, but it doesn't reflect well on you.

You sound like a catho

You sound like an atheist yapping about believers. Do you have any actual argument to make?

No. That's what YOU say about him.
It's not what he says.

He is very clearly and explicitly denying basic tenets of Islam, such as jihad in this very thread. 1+1=2. It is what he says. Of course, he would never put it in an honest way.

You did just that in the post I'm responding to.

I did? Where exactly?

 

[Shakeel]

Let him think yhat he know me and belief, he does not harm me or my belief. The only one he hurting is him self.

No worries i have already forgiven him for spreading false rumors about my belief.

So you don't deny physical jihad? Is that correct? Please tell us that is correct so we can start accepting that you're not denying islamic tenets.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The quran describes three types of jihad (struggles), and zero of them mean or permit terrorism. These are: the jihad against yourself, the jihad against Satan — which are called the greater jihads — and the jihad against an open enemy — known as the lesser jihad.

Since i do not have any open or hidden enemies, how could i use jihad toward an enemy that is non existent?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I wish you would be able to

Ow, I'm able to.
I just don't think he deserves it, because he shows zero remorse nor does he seem to be planning to apologize.
He's not even willing to acknowledge that he's doing it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It's the talent of honest observation. Can't be bought.

You're seriously overestimating this "talent" you claim to have.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't think that is one.

Off course you don't.
Engaging in fallacies is already bad enough.
Knowingly engaging in fallacies would be 10 times worse.

But I'm not an expert in these terms you all use trying to avoid addressing any actual argument included in any given post.

You're not giving any arguments. All you are doing is bearing false witness, strawmanning @Conscious thoughts , pretending to know his mind and throwing accusations around of him not being a "true muslim" because he doesn't experience Islam like YOU do.


Hence why I said that you sound like a Catholic yapping about how a protestant is "not a true christian". Or vice versa