Should I really

[Spirit of Light]

Ow, I'm able to.
I just don't think he deserves it, because he shows zero remorse nor does he seem to be planning to apologize.
He's not even willing to acknowledge that he's doing it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Again. 1+1=2. You can deny it, but it doesn't reflect well on you.

I didn't deny 1+1= 2.

I only denied your strawmen about @Conscious thoughts

You sound like an atheist yapping about believers. Do you have any actual argument to make?

He is very clearly and explicitly denying basic tenets of Islam, such as jihad in this very thread.

In your opinion. You are not the pope of islam.
And even if you were, it would still just be your opinion.

Pope Francis could yap about how protestants "clearly and explicitly" denies the "basic tenets of Christianity", like the trinity and that therefor they are "not real christians" and "disbelievers.

And it would just be his opinion. By any and all accounts, protestants are christians.

Of course, he would never put it in an honest way.

And yet another accusation you're throwing at him. This time, you call him a liar.

lol

I did? Where exactly?

2 quotes above the part you are quoting, you said:

So he is actively denying that he believes in Islam.


"denying to believe" = "disbelieving".

 

[Spirit of Light]

Do not abuse those whom they worship besides Allah” (6:109). If a person claims to be Muslim, he is not allowed to insult or disrespect another religion. This is forbidden according to the Quran.

Even to engage in arguments with Non-Muslims in a disrespectful manner is prohibited, as the Quran states: “And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them): “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we have submitted”(29:46)[1]. If to talk to a person of another faith in a rude way is impermissible, then to kill them in the name of religion is just despicable and completely wrong!

This is an other reason to be good toward other human beings.

 

[Shakeel]

and zero of them mean or permit terrorism.

I wasn't talking about terrorism. Why are you? Do you equate war with terrorism?

Terrorism (Arabic irhaab) is a term that refers to scaring others. In and of itself it is neither good nor bad, unless the one who uses this word intends it to mean something and unless we see the consequences of the actions based on it. Whoever says that terrorism (irhaab) in Islam is synonymous with killing is mistaken, because the linguistic meaning of the word does not reflect that. Terrorism refers to scaring, not killing per se. In terms of Arabic usage, words derived from the same root as irhaab (terrorism) appear in the Qur’an where our Lord, may He be exalted, instructs us to fear Him, as in the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “and fear [only] Me [wa iyyaaya farhaboon]” [al-Baqarah 2:40]. He has also commanded us to prepare to face the enemy from whom we expect plots against us and plans to wage war against us. This preparation is intended to scare (or terrify) the enemy so that we will not become easy prey for him. This is stated clearly in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows” [al-Anfaal 8:60].
Definition of terrorism and what it means in Islam and in the West - Islam Question & Answer

Since i do not have any open or hidden enemies, how could i use jihad toward an enemy that is non existent?

Your enemies are supposed to be the enemies of Islam and the enemies of Muslims. If Muslims hadn't made jihad, what would Islam have become? Do you think it was spread with sugar coated words and indifference to right and wrong?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I wasn't talking about terrorism. Why are you? Do you equate war with terrorism?


Your enemies are supposed to be the enemies of Islam and the enemies of Muslims. If Muslims hadn't made jihad, what would Islam have become? Do you think it was spread with sugar coated words and indifference to right and wrong?

The jihad i fighting is from within me, not outside of me.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I'm not a Baha'i, so obviously we need to go through this again.

Ah I could've sworn that is what you've depicted yourself as on the top right but okay my apologies

 

[Shakeel]

The jihad i fighting is from within me, not outside of me.

You didn't answer anything but said once again that you deny jihad and so deny a basic tenet of Islam.

 

[Shakeel]

throwing accusations around of him not being a "true muslim" because he doesn't experience Islam like YOU do.

The question is not about being a true Muslim, but about being a Muslim. There is no Muslim and a true Muslim. There is just a Muslim and a non-Muslim.

Islam isn't experienced. It is believed in and practiced - or not.

 

[Shakeel]

By any and all accounts, protestants are christians.

Not exactly. Being a Christian means following Jesus (peace be upon him) and a Muslim would be expected to follow him better than the protestants considering that his beliefs are correct, unlike the protestants'.

And yet another accusation you're throwing at him. This time, you call him a liar.

I wouldn't. That's against the rules.

2 quotes above the part you are quoting, you said:

So he is actively denying that he believes in Islam.


"denying to believe" = "disbelieving".

This is once again, something that he says - not me. He is denying that he believes in Islam all the time. In islam there is a difference between disbelief and a disbeliever, at least in practice. An act of disbelief doesn't necessarily make one a disbeliever.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You didn't answer anything but said once again that you deny jihad and so deny a basic tenet of Islam.

You have your understanding i have mine, and yes we do follow different path, and if you do not see me as a Muslim, that is ok. I can not change your mind

 

[Trailblazer]

And?

Jehovah's witnesses are true Christians even though they do not believe in the Trinity.
They believe in and follow Jesus and that is what makes them true Christians.

 

[Shakeel]

Jehovah's witnesses are true Christians even though they do not believe in the Trinity.
They believe in and follow Jesus and that is what makes them true Christians.

I don't think either of those are true Christians.

 

[Shakeel]

Do not abuse those whom they worship besides Allah” (6:109). If a person claims to be Muslim, he is not allowed to insult or disrespect another religion. This is forbidden according to the Quran.

Even to engage in arguments with Non-Muslims in a disrespectful manner is prohibited, as the Quran states: “And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them): “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our God and your God is One, and to Him we have submitted”(29:46)[1]. If to talk to a person of another faith in a rude way is impermissible, then to kill them in the name of religion is just despicable and completely wrong!

This is an other reason to be good toward other human beings.

Are you ready for the first time to point out where I was disrespectful? (not saying I agree with your interpretation of those verses) I've asked before. You never have. I think you confuse sugar coated words with respect. They're actually not respectful, especially when it comes to religion. Encouraging people to go to hell cannot, at any level, be considered respectful.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Are you ready for the first time to point out where I was disrespectful? (not saying I agree with your interpretation of those verses) I've asked before. You never have. I think you confuse sugar coated words with respect. They're actually not respectful, especially when it comes to religion. Encouraging people to go to hell cannot, at any level, be considered respectful.

It does not matter if were disrespectful or not toward me, I have already forgiven you for the negative words you used toward me as a sufi.

But you seem to be angry all the time, and that could be me missunderstanding your intention, or use of words.

What i do not understand is your view on jihad, as a physical war on non believers.
To me jihad is as i said within my own heart to be able to remove all hate and dislike that was within me before.

 

[Shakeel]

It does not matter if were disrespectful or not toward me, I have already forgiven you for th

It does when you keep implying I am disrespectful. It would be cowardly to not be straightforward about it.

But you seem to be angry all the time, and that could be me missunderstanding your intention, or use of words.

I'm never angry online.

What i do not understand is your view on jihad, as a physical war on non believers.
To me jihad is as i said within my own heart to be able to remove all hate

My view on Jihad - that is, the Islamic view on Jihad - is in line with the Quran and he hadiths. Your view is in line with, what, your teachers?

I asked you before, how do you think Islam was spread? You think people like you conquered land?

 

[Spirit of Light]

It does when you keep implying I am disrespectful. It would be cowardly to not be straightforward about it.

I'm never angry online.
My view on Jihad - that is, the Islamic view on Jihad - is in line with the Quran and he hadiths. Your view is in line with, what, your teachers?

I asked you before, how do you think Islam was spread? You think people like you conquered land?

I do not think i called you disrespectful.

I speak from a Sufi understanding of Islam, and the teachings that is the "mystical" as some call them.
My understanding of the quran is not word by words litterarly either. So yes thete are differently understanding from sufism to Sunni or shia

 

[Shakeel]

I do not think i called you disrespectful.

I speak from a Sufi understanding of Islam, and the teachings that is the "mystical" as some call them.
My understanding of the quran is not word by words litterarly either. So yes thete are differently understanding from sufism to Sunni or shia

You have been implying that I'm disrespectful many times.
So you're much like the Christians. They don't usually take their book seriously either.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You have been implying that I'm disrespectful many times.
So you're much like the Christians. They don't usually take their book seriously either.

The thing i noticed is that you never take anything anyone else take as their understanding of the truth. All i have seen you do is to say others are wrong, and you correct.

Question: how do you know your understanding of the teachings of Islam is correct every time?

By the way i did not answer about the jihad you believe in, I see any voilence toward anyone as wrong action.
And i believe if Islam going to survive, any voilence has to stop.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't think either of those are true Christians.

Oh, so what is a true Christian?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The question is not about being a true Muslim, but about being a Muslim. There is no Muslim and a true Muslim. There is just a Muslim and a non-Muslim.

Pot8to, potato.