Should Israel be annihilated?

[Smart_Guy]

No, it should not.

If it was at the time they occupied the land, I'd say yes, they should be, but now they settled and Israel came a long way away from the ones did the occupation. Children should not be judged by the sins of the fathers. This is what Islam teaches me and this is what I believe in.

And please please please, don't mix Israel with Judaism in my post.

Please know that by my statement in bold above, I didn't mean any hateful approach. I was having in mind self defense against an invading force that massacred so many people.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Please know that by my statement in bold above, I didn't mean any hateful approach. I was having in mind self defense against an invading force that massacred so many people.

For what it's worth, I took it as such.

 

[Thief]

I don't believe in ancestral homelands or I'd have to leave the USA. What I think is that Israelis have worked to make their land a decent and productive land, so they deserve to keep it. That is what I think about my own country, too.

Didn't the people in question invade a territory long ago?.....claiming the land was given to them by God....
And we 'Americans' are descendants of invading immigrants.
The Indians have not forgotten. (Don't think so anyway).

 

[Brickjectivity]

Didn't the people in question invade a territory long ago?.....claiming the land was given to them by God....
And we 'Americans' are descendants of invading immigrants.
The Indians have not forgotten. (Don't think so anyway).

We Americans are a mixture both culturally and genetically between the immigrants, the pioneers, the natives and also the imported slaves. Like biscuits, we cannot be unbaked back into flour and water.

 

[Thief]

We Americans are a mixture both culturally and genetically between the immigrants, the pioneers, the natives and also the imported slaves. Like biscuits, we cannot be unbaked back into flour and water.

Yeah, but the conflict I see in other countries doesn't seem to have a skin condition.

I feel trespassing should be controlled.
If you hold ground at great length....and someone sets up tent and grazing in your front yard......?

 

[Flankerl]

We Americans are a mixture both culturally and genetically between the immigrants, the pioneers, the natives and also the imported slaves. Like biscuits, we cannot be unbaked back into flour and water.

Now isn't that convenient.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yeah, but the conflict I see in other countries doesn't seem to have a skin condition.

I feel trespassing should be controlled.
If you hold ground at great length....and someone sets up tent and grazing in your front yard......?

Talking about me, some of my ancestors were native American, but most of them originally came from Europe. I'm mixed. So, what is my responsibility? I'm not claiming any moral high ground, but I do intend to keep staying alive. I'm not going to die over the sin of my own existence.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Now isn't that convenient.

How can there ever be justice for all wrongs done in the past? You can't go back in time.

 

[columbus]

Personaly i dont hate jews, no reason to hate them, they are humans etc. What i hate is this oppressive regime occupying the holy land.

Every now and again I feel the inspiration to repeat this observation.
The reason there is a "Palestinian Problem" is that the Zionists did NOT use the traditional methods of cementing their claims to the land. Those are generally referred to as "genocide", and have been standard for nearly all of human history.
Their Abrahamic fellows were much more ruthless and so dominate their "homelands" far more.

And the reason Zionists aren't going anywhere is because they have built something strong on the land that they bought, or won from the losers in the several military campaigns against them.
If I believed in Allah, I would take a lesson from what has gone on in The Holy Land recently.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

Tumah,
I believe in Jewish State lead by Neturei group.
They are amazing Jews, i believe its possible to live with them in peace as neighbours with Jerusalem as capital city for both.


Iam supportive of jewish state lead by Neturei Karta, and arab state. They both share Jerusalem as capital city.

So, the only Jewish sect that you are willing to live with as neighbors are the only one that shares your views about the State of Israel? How tolerant of you.

What is the Neturei Karta?
The name was given to a group of Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who refused (and still refuse) to recognize the existence or authority of the so-called "State of Israel" and made (and still make) a point of publicly demonstrating their position, the position of the Torah and authentic unadulterated Judaism.

 

[leibowde84]

I guess so. Jews have as much right to their own state (considering it is their ancestral homeland) than anyone else in the world does, I suppose.

I don't really trust a lot of Jewish leaders though.

What Jewish leaders don't you trust? Does your lack of trust have to do with their "jewishness"?

 

[leibowde84]

For you gentil

I vote NO because you limited the poll , and also for :

1- Israel had many good Jews whom want peace , inspite racism and abuse against Palestinains .

the Muslims are suffered from occupation for hunderds of years .

cos i am Algerian , i am talking about Algeria experience of occupation .
Algeria occupted by France at 1830 , the population was 11 million , in independent 1962 , the population was 11 million . how you explain that ?

in indepenedent war 1.5 million Algerians killed between 1954-1962.

The Jews were living in exile tons of times, and as recently as the middle of the last century when 6 million of them were killed. I don't see why Palestinians can't just live among Jews and visa versa. It seems childish that either group would want a segregated society.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Jews were living in exile tons of times, and as recently as the middle of the last century when 6 million of them were killed. I don't see why Palestinians can't just live among Jews and visa versa. It seems childish that either group would want a segregated society.

Indeed the Jews and Muslims suffered , maybe in the same way .

Now millions of Muslims are exile from Syria and Iraq because the bad policy of West and Kings of Oil , and millions of Palestinians are exile from Palestine .

I can see why some Palestinians and Muslims are reject Israel :

-Isreal (Jews) are threating the Holly Mosque (Alaqsa) ,and break the deals with Palestinians about WB by occupating/steal more land . and they suffered from racism and distinction .(Israel built homes from citizens Jews , and destruct Arabs homes) .

-Isreali regime accept (encourage) the imagration of Jews to Israel and reject the exile Palestinains to comeback to their homes .

so that why Palestinians and many Muslims reject Israeli regime .

but I don't know exactly why some Jews reject the Palestinians :


maybe they want a state net for Jews , promissed land .

 

[leibowde84]

Indeed the Jews and Muslims suffered , maybe in the same way .

Now millions of Muslims are exile from Syria and Iraq because the bad policy of West and Kings of Oil , and millions of Palestinians are exile from Palestine .

I can see why some Palestinians and Muslims are reject Israel :

-Isreal (Jews) are threating the Holly Mosque (Alaqsa) ,and break the deals with Palestinians about WB by occupating/steal more land . and they suffered from racism and distinction .(Israel built homes from citizens Jews , and destruct Arabs homes) .

-Isreali regime accept (encourage) the imagration of Jews to Israel and reject the exile Palestinains to comeback to their homes .

so that why Palestinians and many Muslims reject Israeli regime .

but I don't know exactly why some Jews reject the Palestinians :


maybe they want a state net for Jews , promissed land .

Well, the Jews have had 2 periods where a total of 14 million died. And they were suffering long before Islam even existed.

 

[Godobeyer]

Well, the Jews have had 2 periods where a total of 14 million died. And they were suffering long before Islam even existed.

since you Christian , seems you care about crimes that done against Jews .:

We the Muslim host the exile Jews , when the Christians (NAZI) burned them .

are you dare to condemn the crimes that done by Chritians (NAZI) against Jews ?

Yes we get in problem with them in land ....etc , but we did not killed or thinking to kill 6 million Jews.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

since you Christian , seems you care about crimes that done against Jews .:

We the Muslim host the exile Jews , when the Christians (NAZI) burned them .

are dare to condemn the crimes that done by Chritians (NAZI) against Jews ?

Yes we get in problem with them in land ....etc , but we did not killed or thinking to kill 6 million Jews.

Nazism wasn't a Christian movement and persecuted Christians and the churches. Nazism is basically a religion unto itself. They eventually planned to destroy Christianity in Germany.

Oh, and by the way: The Nazis allied themselves with Muslims and Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had a close relationship.

 

[Godobeyer]

Nazism wasn't a Christian movement and persecuted Christians and the churches. Nazism is basically a religion unto itself. They eventually planned to destroy Christianity in Germany.

Oh, and by the way: The Nazis allied themselves with Muslims and Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had a close relationship.

I doubt about that , i see the speechs of Hilter , when he was talkig by the name of God in his war against other countries and Jews .



it's not required to have more degree of smart to understand that the Grand Mufti was allie to Hilter because Hilter promissed him to get indepened from GB .since GB promissed the Jews to had State in Palestine .

 

[leibowde84]

since you Christian , seems you care about crimes that done against Jews .:

We the Muslim host the exile Jews , when the Christians (NAZI) burned them .

are you dare to condemn the crimes that done by Chritians (NAZI) against Jews ?

Yes we get in problem with them in land ....etc , but we did not killed or thinking to kill 6 million Jews.

You mean when most Muslim countries sided with and helped the Nazis during WW2? I understand that what you are saying is true, but that was a drop in the bucket next to Islamic countries' alliance with the Nazis.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I doubt about that , i see the speechs of Hilter , when he was talkig by the name of God in his war against other countries and Jews .

It's called being pragmatic. He had to present himself a certain way to the public otherwise they never would've fell for it. But the higher ranked Nazis knew all along that Christianity is incompatible with Nazism and Hitler actually hated Christianity and said nasty things about it in private. Many of the high-ranked Nazis were into the occult and neo-Paganism.
Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis - How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity - NYTimes.com

it's not required to be more degree of smart to understand that the Grand Mufti was allie to Hilter because Hilter promissed him to get indepened from GB .since GB promissed the Jews to had State in Palestine .

Either way, Muslims are not innocent in that whole affair.

Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS:

There was no Christian regiment of the SS.

 

[Godobeyer]

You mean when most Muslim countries sided with and helped the Nazis during WW2?

Most of Muslims countries were occupated , but We the Muslims helped the exile Jews , when Christians burned them .

I understand that what you are saying is true, but that was a drop in the bucket next to Islamic countries' alliance with the Nazis.

All the world was divide to two parts , there were Muslims pro-Nazi ,and there were Muslims fighting Nazis .[/QUOTE]