Should Muslims acknowledge the Jews sovereignty over Israel?

[Shermana]

The primary "goodness" that we believe is found in Jesus is forgiveness in the eyes God and a restored relationship with him. Jesus also says that murders and robbers will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, regardless of who they claim to follow. I'd agree that throughout Christians have been a "mixed bag" in how they've represented JC. Their job, in their eyes, has been to help usher in the Kingdom. When they fail to do that some people obviously question the existence of the God they claim to believe in. Jews familiar with the Hebrew Bible should not find it strange however that God uses sinners to change the world. The OT is replete with leaders of the Israelite nation who were shall we say "less than perfect." What do you say about the God that used a man like Samson to lead his people?

Paul said something about true Christians having signs and spiritual gifts...including...Prophecy. And powers like being able to speak in tongues that they never learned. In fact, he said that every Christian, or member of "The Church" (the real, true Scotsman Church) would have such a gift. When was the last time we had a Christian prophet? Where did Paul imply it would only be a temporary phenomenon?

The spread of the Church according to Acts was not done so much through arguments, but by display of miraculous abilities and powers SUPPLEMENTED by arguments to rationalize that it was godly, not demonic forces at play.

And thus we are left with Pentacostals and various "Charismatic" cults that try their best to imitate these powers which are the signs of the blessings of the true church. At what point were all Christians no longer given the sign of miraculous abilities to demonstrate their proof of having a true "relationship" with the Son?

 

[Sleeppy]

The Covenant covered in Torah only deals with those who are circumcised, which is the mark of the Covenant done on the 8th day after birth for boys only.

Now, whether God has a covenant with any others is quite hypothetically possible at least.

If circumcision is a covenant of God, you can outline the benefits of being marked. Do so.

But in any observable benefit that you list, there is a more efficient covenant to subscribe to. Unfortunately for Abraham's sons, they've been enslaved to a discipline they've hated to understand, but loved to have hope in.

The rooster doesn't raise the sun. But, you believe a sign in your flesh can fulfill promises which aren't being kept. And so, you have brothers and sisters who will die according to your belief. Many are dying. And many have died. They all worked to inherit God's land, and as a result of ill perception are no longer able to inherit any of the promises given to Abraham.

Refer to your prophets, Jeremiah and Isaiah.

 

[Shermana]

If circumcision is a covenant of God, you can outline the benefits of being marked. Do so.

So you're saying that when God gave the mark of the covenant to Abraham and all his offspring, he was either lying or he'd have some direct, observable benefit that Jews throughout history wouldn't be able to show? What was the outline of the Israelites in prior times?

But in any observable benefit that you list, there is a more efficient covenant to subscribe to. Unfortunately for Abraham's sons, they've been enslaved to a discipline they've hated to understand, but loved to have hope in.

What discipline have they been "enslaved" to exactly? The Torah?

The rooster doesn't raise the sun. But, you believe a sign in your flesh can fulfill promises which aren't being kept.

What promise isn't being kept? Israel back in 1000-0 A.D. was just as tulmutuous and unstable as it was today if not more so.

And so, you have brothers and sisters who will die according to your belief.

Most Jews in Israel have very little regard for the religious aspect of Zionism.

Many are dying. And many have died. They all worked to inherit God's land, and as a result of ill perception are no longer able to inherit any of the promises given to Abraham.

What promises are those exactly?

Refer to your prophets, Jeremiah and Isaiah.

Have you even read them? They are lamenting the fact that the Jews have gone astray from the Law and that is the reason for their punishments. As well as pointing out the punishments coming up for the evil Nations opposing them.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Paul said something about true Christians having signs and spiritual gifts...including...Prophecy. And powers like being able to speak in tongues that they never learned. In fact, he said that every Christian, or member of "The Church" (the real, true Scotsman Church) would have such a gift. When was the last time we had a Christian prophet? Where did Paul imply it would only be a temporary phenomenon?

The spread of the Church according to Acts was not done so much through arguments, but by display of miraculous abilities and powers SUPPLEMENTED by arguments to rationalize that it was godly, not demonic forces at play.

And thus we are left with Pentacostals and various "Charismatic" cults that try their best to imitate these powers which are the signs of the blessings of the true church. At what point were all Christians no longer given the sign of miraculous abilities to demonstrate their proof of having a true "relationship" with the Son?

Paul never said outright nor implied that these gifts were only a temporary phenomenon. Jesus COMMANDED his followers to heal the sick, drive out demons, etc. As to the claim that Christians no longer have such gifts I don't believe that it has any validity. I do believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I feel like I've witnessed and even experienced them personally, among them one in particular that can I can only describe as miraculous especially after modern medicine gave its best shot at healing the particular ailment and failed miserably. There are places where people are getting delivered from all types of physical/mental ailments including powerful addictions. I've seen many many people speak in tongues but never done so myself. I've felt like God has spoken to me personally at times giving me a word for someone that I could never have reasonably guessed. I've had people give me what they felt was a word from God that they could never have known applied. Maybe some or all are just making it up. It certainly is possible. I believe modern secular thinking, among them "rationalism" and the worship of science has made many western Christians more skeptical about the existence of such things and hence more apprehensive about trying to practice them.

 

[Sleeppy]

Paul said something about true Christians having signs and spiritual gifts...including...Prophecy. And powers like being able to speak in tongues that they never learned. In fact, he said that every Christian, or member of "The Church" (the real, true Scotsman Church) would have such a gift. When was the last time we had a Christian prophet? Where did Paul imply it would only be a temporary phenomenon?

The spread of the Church according to Acts was not done so much through arguments, but by display of miraculous abilities and powers SUPPLEMENTED by arguments to rationalize that it was godly, not demonic forces at play.

And thus we are left with Pentacostals and various "Charismatic" cults that try their best to imitate these powers which are the signs of the blessings of the true church. At what point were all Christians no longer given the sign of miraculous abilities to demonstrate their proof of having a true "relationship" with the Son?

Jesus Himself prophesied that some would perform equal to, and greater than Him. Paul reiterated.

 

[CMike]

I've often wondered how Muslims interpret getting their hineys kicked over and over again when trying to fight against the Jews.

That's an excellent question :yes:

 

[CMike]

By your own logic, why aren't you 1% as concerned about people acting centuries in the past in your own backyard?

What is Israel supposed to do to become a 21st century civilization? Give up and surrender to people who live in the mentality of the 7th century without any regard for the historical context of the struggle?

You have yet to indicate a remote familiarity with the actual causes of the wars and the transfer of control of the land, your knowledge of the situation seems to be limited to slogans and a few pieces of rhetoric without any regard for the geopolitical realities.

:clap

 

[Shermana]

Jesus Himself prophesied that some would perform equal to, and greater than Him. Paul reiterated.

Okay, and? So when do we see these Christians who do greater acts? Paul said EVERY Christian would have spiritual gifts. That means if you don't have a Spiritual gift.....

 

[Shermana]

Paul never said outright nor implied that these gifts were only a temporary phenomenon. Jesus COMMANDED his followers to heal the sick, drive out demons, etc.

Oh, so Christians are supposed to have Supernatural abilities to prove that they're real Christians? What is this, some kind of Biblical fundamentalism or something?

As to the claim that Christians no longer have such gifts I don't believe that it has any validity.

Then you should have no problem proving a single verified example. And also, don't forget that miraculous powers are also claimable by those who don't know Jesus at all.

I do believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

I also believe many Christians claim to have this gift, yet disagree with each other over many issues, apparently either the Spirit is lying to them, or they may be speaking falsely about the Spirit. For some reason I get can extremely aggravated when Christians claim to have the Spirit as a last resort to when their beliefs are questioned. Especially when they conflict with what other claimants believe the Spirit tells them.

I feel like I've witnessed and even experienced them personally, among them one in particular that can I can only describe as miraculous especially after modern medicine gave its best shot at healing the particular ailment and failed miserably.

I've seen examples of Muslims who have had seemingly miraculous healings too. Same with Hindus.

There are places where people are getting delivered from all types of physical/mental ailments including powerful addictions.

I'm sure there are. And they exist all over the world in non-Christian areas too. How do you account for that?

I've seen many many people speak in tongues but never done so myself.

Oh really? Are we talking actual languages on Earth like the examples in the Book of Acts or some unknown Angel language?

I've felt like God has spoken to me personally at times giving me a word for someone that I could never have reasonably guessed

.

I'd have to know a specific example.

I've had people give me what they felt was a word from God that they could never have known applied.

Like?

Maybe some or all are just making it up.

Maybe? More like Likely.

It certainly is possible. I believe modern secular thinking, among them "rationalism" and the worship of science has made many western Christians more skeptical about the existence of such things and hence more apprehensive about trying to practice them.

Or maybe they're just more honest and less willing to lie and pretend because they have a bit more desire for respect and being trusted?

 

[Moishe3rd]

What significant changes in Christian theology to you believe came about in around 300 AD? And by "significant" I mean doctrines that would be considered "heretical" by Jesus and the disciples.

I believe that it is important for people to know their own history.
Personally, as an "ultra" Orthodox Jew, I believe that American Christianity is one of the best friends that Jews and the State of Israel could possibly have so, I have no beef with modern Christians.
However, as you seem to be unaware of the underpinnings of Christianity, it is only for the sake of historical accuracy that I offer the following -

From the earliest days of the Constantine and the Christian Roman Empire, Christians learned about the Jews in the context of how their god, Jesus, was killed by wicked Jews.
After Rome adopted Christianity, Jews became synonymous with Christ-killers. Jews were proclaimed The Race of Deicides.

It began with Book of Matthew 27:20:
"And the whole people answering said: ‘His blood be upon us and our children.’”
The Book of John puts the proverbial nails in the crucifixion of the Jews when John relates the various "evils" that “the Jews” performed:
“… therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus because he did these things on the Sabbath.” (John 5:16)
“… The Jews then took up stones to stone him…” (John 10:31)
“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)
“The Jews insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.’” (John 19:7)
“’Here is your king,’ Pilate said to the Jews.
But they shouted, ‘Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!’” (John 19:14,15)

The early Christian theologians; the Church Fathers, believed that these passages specifically meant that the Jews first rejected, and then killed Jesus. And, that the Jews were therefore cursed by the Christian god for all time.
Origen, one of the most distinguished writers of the early Christian Church, wrote: “The Jews nailed Christ to the Cross.”
Cyprian, bishop of Carthage, took time to detail the crimes of the Jews in his “Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews.”
Augustine argued that Jews should be left alive and suffering as “a perpetual reminder of their murder of Christ.”
Gregory of Nyssa named the Jews “Slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, adversaries of G-d, haters of G-d … advocates of the devil, brood of vipers, slanderers… assemblies of demon… and haters of righteousness.”
John Chrysostom (347 CE-407 CE), flatly stated (contradicting Peter who claimed the Jews acted without knowledge) “the Jews erred, not ignorantly, but with full knowledge.”
Chrysostom’s virulent hatred of the Jews, as the Archbishop of Constantinople, along with these other Church Fathers, forever influenced the theology that became Law under the Eastern Orthodox Empire, and he, like the rest of these early Church Fathers, became a “saint.”
Among his many sermons castigating, excoriating, and cursing the Jews, he called them “the assassins of Christ” and named their synagogues “the refuge of devils and abyss of perdition.”

Ultimately, the “Holy Roman Emperor,” Constantine, began what became a perpetual theological condemnation of Jews and Judaism in his Laws of Constantinus Regarding the Jews

I. Laws of Constantine the Great, October 18, 315: Concerning Jews, Heaven-Worshippers, And Samaritans We wish to make it known to the Jews and their elders and their patriarchs that if, after the enactment of this law, any one of them dares to attack with stones or some other manifestation of anger another who has fled their dangerous sect and attached himself to the worship of God [Christianity], he must speedily be given to the flames and burn together with all his accomplices. Moreover, if any one of the population should join their abominable sect and attend their meetings, he will bear with them the deserved penalties.

The Holy Roman Emperors, Theodosius II and Justinian, continued making specific Laws restricting and condemning Jews and Judaism, as did nearly every Holy Roman Emperor and later, Popes, that followed in the footsteps of these Christian “saints” who urged that Jews be scourged and hated for killing their god.

These Laws became but the first in a never ending series of Laws enacted by Christendom throughout the entire planet for the next 1500 years. These Laws enjoyed the full Ecclesiastical weight of the Holy Church and were totally enforced by the civil administrations of the various Christian Kingdoms as “civil law,” and Christian doctrine.

This theology was passed on to all of Christendom well into the 20th Century.
All Christians “knew” that Jews were “cursed” by G-d and it was the theological duty of greater Christendom to see that they suffered.
And, greater Christendom did exactly that.

The first recorded mob violence that I know of was in 388 CE when Christians burnt down a synagogue in Syria.
From the 5th Century onward - Jews were regularly killed; forced to convert; their synagogues and homes burned and looted; forced to pay a “dhimmi tax” to Christians in order to both practice Judaism and/or simply not be killed; prohibited from certain occupations; not allowed to marry Christians; their books burned; expelled from various Christian kingdoms; and simply persecuted unceasingly by Christians for the crime of being Jewish.

At any time, in any country, for any reason, Jews could be and were ruthlessly sought out for torture and death.
Millions of Jews died at the hands of Christians over the last 1500 years for the supposed theological crime of being Christ Killers.
With the conclusion of the Holocaust in the 20th Century, most of Christianity officially changed their theology and no longer claimed that the Jews killed their god.

However, in response to your question - this theology of the people of Jesus being a Race of Deicides and killing Jesus, a god, would be considered just a leetle bit heretical by Jesus and his followers.... No?

(And, FYI for everyone - The reason American Christianity has taken over the world and that Christianity has now changed its theology regarding the Jews, is that American Christianity replaced "Replacement Theology" with "Fulfillment Theology." Good things come from the US of A!)

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Shermana: You don't have to take my word for anything and I know you certainly won't. As far as proving the existence of spiritual giftings my recommendation is that you find yourself a church that actively tries to practice the spiritual gifts. Just go in a as a skeptic wanting to observe all the wacky Christians trying to put Jesus' command to perform miracles into practice. You never know, the "big guy" might have a word for you through someone that actually tries to listen for the Holy Spirit.

 

[metis]

If circumcision is a covenant of God, you can outline the benefits of being marked. Do so.

But in any observable benefit that you list, there is a more efficient covenant to subscribe to. Unfortunately for Abraham's sons, they've been enslaved to a discipline they've hated to understand, but loved to have hope in.

The rooster doesn't raise the sun. But, you believe a sign in your flesh can fulfill promises which aren't being kept. And so, you have brothers and sisters who will die according to your belief. Many are dying. And many have died. They all worked to inherit God's land, and as a result of ill perception are no longer able to inherit any of the promises given to Abraham.

Refer to your prophets, Jeremiah and Isaiah.

My comments were exclusively in regards to what Torah says, which is rather easy to look up, but if someone doesn't believe in Torah, then obviously they'll likely have a different conclusion.

But for those who believe in Torah, let me post this:

Exod.2

[24] And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Exod.6

[4] I also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they dwelt as sojourners.
[5] Moreover I have heard the groaning of the people of Israel whom the Egyptians hold in bondage and I have remembered my covenant.
Exod.19

[5] Now therefore, if you will obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is mine,
Exod.23

[32] You shall make no covenant with them or with their gods.
Exod.24

[7] Then he took the book of the covenant, and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, "All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient."
[8] And Moses took the blood and threw it upon the people, and said, "Behold the blood of the covenant which the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words."
Exod.31

[16] Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant.
Exod.34

[10] And he said, "Behold, I make a covenant. Before all your people I will do marvels, such as have not been wrought in all the earth or in any nation; and all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the LORD; for it is a terrible thing that I will do with you.
[12] Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither you go, lest it become a snare in the midst of you.
[15] lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and when they play the harlot after their gods and sacrifice to their gods and one invites you, you eat of his sacrifice,
[27] And the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
[28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Lev.2

[13] You shall season all your cereal offerings with salt; you shall not let the salt of the covenant with your God be lacking from your cereal offering; with all your offerings you shall offer salt.
Lev.24

[8] Every sabbath day Aaron shall set it in order before the LORD continually on behalf of the people of Israel as a covenant for ever.
Lev.26

[9] And I will have regard for you and make you fruitful and multiply you, and will confirm my covenant with you.
[15] if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my ordinances, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,
[25] And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute vengeance for the covenant; and if you gather within your cities I will send pestilence among you, and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
[42] then I will remember my covenant with Jacob, and I will remember my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land.
[44] Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not spurn them, neither will I abhor them so as to destroy them utterly and break my covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God;
[45] but I will for their sake remember the covenant with their forefathers, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the LORD."
Num.10

[33] So they set out from the mount of the LORD three days' journey; and the ark of the covenant of the LORD went before them three days' journey, to seek out a resting place for them.
Num.14

[44] But they presumed to go up to the heights of the hill country, although neither the ark of the covenant of the LORD, nor Moses, departed out of the camp.
Num.18

[19] All the holy offerings which the people of Israel present to the LORD I give to you, and to your sons and daughters with you, as a perpetual due; it is a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD for you and for your offspring with you."
Num.25

[12] Therefore say, `Behold, I give to him my covenant of peace;
[13] and it shall be to him, and to his descendants after him, the covenant of a perpetual priesthood, because he was jealous for his God, and made atonement for the people of Israel.'"
Deut.4

[13] And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
[23] Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make a graven image in the form of anything which the LORD your God has forbidden you.
[31] for the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not fail you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers which he swore to them.
Deut.5

[2] The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
[3] Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deut.7

[2] and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.
[9] Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
[12] "And because you hearken to these ordinances, and keep and do them, the LORD your God will keep with you the covenant and the steadfast love which he swore to your fathers to keep;
Deut.8

[18] You shall remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth; that he may confirm his covenant which he swore to your fathers, as at this day.
Deut.9

[9] When I went up the mountain to receive the tables of stone, the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you, I remained on the mountain forty days and forty nights; I neither ate bread nor drank water.
[11] And at the end of forty days and forty nights the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, the tables of the covenant.
[15] So I turned and came down from the mountain, and the mountain was burning with fire; and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.
Deut.10

[8] At that time the LORD set apart the tribe of Levi to carry the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister to him and to bless in his name, to this day.
Deut.17

[2] "If there is found among you, within any of your towns which the LORD your God gives you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the LORD your God, in transgressing his covenant,
Deut.29

[1] These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the people of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which he had made with them at Horeb.
[9] Therefore be careful to do the words of this covenant, that you may prosper in all that you do.
[12] that you may enter into the sworn covenant of the LORD your God, which the LORD your God makes with you this day;
[14] Nor is it with you only that I make this sworn covenant,
[19] one who, when he hears the words of this sworn covenant, blesses himself in his heart, saying, `I shall be safe, though I walk in the stubbornness of my heart.' This would lead to the sweeping away of moist and dry alike.
[21] And the LORD would single him out from all the tribes of Israel for calamity, in accordance with all the curses of the covenant written in this book of the law.
[25] Then men would say, `It is because they forsook the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt,
Deut.31

[9] And Moses wrote this law, and gave it to the priests the sons of Levi, who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and to all the elders of Israel.
[16] And the LORD said to Moses, "Behold, you are about to sleep with your fathers; then this people will rise and play the harlot after the strange gods of the land, where they go to be among them, and they will forsake me and break my covenant which I have made with them.
[20] For when I have brought them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to give to their fathers, and they have eaten and are full and grown fat, they will turn to other gods and serve them, and despise me and break my covenant.
[25] Moses commanded the Levites who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD,
[26] "Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.
Deut.33

[9] who said of his father and mother,
`I regard them not';
he disowned his brothers,
and ignored his children.
For they observed thy word,
and kept thy covenant.



continued

 

[Shermana]

Shermana: You don't have to take my word for anything and I know you certainly won't. As far as proving the existence of spiritual giftings my recommendation is that you find yourself a church that actively tries to practice the spiritual gifts. Just go in a as a skeptic wanting to observe all the wacky Christians trying to put Jesus' command to perform miracles into practice. You never know, the "big guy" might have a word for you through someone that actually tries to listen for the Holy Spirit.

So you make a big deal about this claim that Jews have no proof of having a direct covenant, yet you think Christians have this proof based on something you can't verify whatsoever and is based on the shoddiest and shakiest claims of personal testimony.

Find a church that ties to practice them? You mean like Charismatic Pentacostal churches? Why am I supposed to believe they are authentic? Have you accepted the possibility that no matter how hard they try that they are lying and fibbing?

What if Jews have this testimony too? How do you know that I do not try to listen to the Spirit? How do you know the Spirit is not already in direct communication with me? Why is it only through people who share your particular Theology?

 

[metis]

Josh.3
[3] and commanded the people, "When you see the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God being carried by the Levitical priests, then you shall set out from your place and follow it,
[6] And Joshua said to the priests, "Take up the ark of the covenant, and pass on before the people." And they took up the ark of the covenant, and went before the people.
[8] And you shall command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, `When you come to the brink of the waters of the Jordan, you shall stand still in the Jordan.'"
[11] Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth is to pass over before you into the Jordan.
[14] So, when the people set out from their tents, to pass over the Jordan with the priests bearing the ark of the covenant before the people,
[17] And while all Israel were passing over on dry ground, the priests who bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood on dry ground in the midst of the Jordan, until all the nation finished passing over the Jordan.
Josh.4

[7] Then you shall tell them that the waters of the Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant of the LORD; when it passed over the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. So these stones shall be to the people of Israel a memorial for ever."
[9] And Joshua set up twelve stones in the midst of the Jordan, in the place where the feet of the priests bearing the ark of the covenant had stood; and they are there to this day.
[18] And when the priests bearing the ark of the covenant of the LORD came up from the midst of the Jordan, and the soles of the priests' feet were lifted up on dry ground, the waters of the Jordan returned to their place and overflowed all its banks, as before.
Josh.6

[6] So Joshua the son of Nun called the priests and said to them, "Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD."
[8] And as Joshua had commanded the people, the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns before the LORD went forward, blowing the trumpets, with the ark of the covenant of the LORD following them.
Josh.7

[11] Israel has sinned; they have transgressed my covenant which I commanded them; they have taken some of the devoted things; they have stolen, and lied, and put them among their own stuff.
[15] And he who is taken with the devoted things shall be burned with fire, he and all that he has, because he has transgressed the covenant of the LORD, and because he has done a shameful thing in Israel.'"
Josh.8

[33] And all Israel, sojourner as well as homeborn, with their elders and officers and their judges, stood on opposite sides of the ark before the Levitical priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, half of them in front of Mount Ger'izim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded at the first, that they should bless the people of Israel.
Josh.9

[6] And they went to Joshua in the camp at Gilgal, and said to him and to the men of Israel, "We have come from a far country; so now make a covenant with us."
[7] But the men of Israel said to the Hivites, "Perhaps you live among us; then how can we make a covenant with you?"
[11] And our elders and all the inhabitants of our country said to us, `Take provisions in your hand for the journey, and go to meet them, and say to them, "We are your servants; come now, make a covenant with us."'

Josh.9

[15] And Joshua made peace with them, and made a covenant with them, to let them live; and the leaders of the congregation swore to them.
[16] At the end of three days after they had made a covenant with them, they heard that they were their neighbors, and that they dwelt among them.
Josh.23

[16] if you transgress the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods and bow down to them. Then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you, and you shall perish quickly from off the good land which he has given to you."
Josh.24

[25] So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day, and made statutes and ordinances for them at Shechem.
Judg.2

[1] Now the angel of the LORD went up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, "I brought you up from Egypt, and brought you into the land which I swore to give to your fathers. I said, `I will never break my covenant with you,
[2] and you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall break down their altars.' But you have not obeyed my command. What is this you have done?
[20] So the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel; and he said, "Because this people have transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not obeyed my voice,
Judg.20

[27] And the people of Israel inquired of the LORD (for the ark of the covenant of God was there in those days,
1Sam.4

[3] And when the troops came to the camp, the elders of Israel said, "Why has the LORD put us to rout today before the Philistines? Let us bring the ark of the covenant of the LORD here from Shiloh, that he may come among us and save us from the power of our enemies."
[4] So the people sent to Shiloh, and brought from there the ark of the covenant of the LORD of hosts, who is enthroned on the cherubim; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phin'ehas, were there with the ark of the covenant of God.
[5] When the ark of the covenant of the LORD came into the camp, all Israel gave a mighty shout, so that the earth resounded.
1Sam.18

[3] Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul.
1Sam.20

[8] Therefore deal kindly with your servant, for you have brought your servant into a sacred covenant with you. But if there is guilt in me, slay me yourself; for why should you bring me to your father?"
1Sam.23

[18] And the two of them made a covenant before the LORD; David remained at Horesh, and Jonathan went home.
2Sam.3

[12] And Abner sent messengers to David at Hebron, saying, "To whom does the land belong? Make your covenant with me, and behold, my hand shall be with you to bring over all Israel to you."
[13] And he said, "Good; I will make a covenant with you; but one thing I require of you; that is, you shall not see my face, unless you first bring Michal, Saul's daughter, when you come to see my face."
[21] And Abner said to David, "I will arise and go, and will gather all Israel to my lord the king, that they may make a covenant with you, and that you may reign over all that your heart desires." So David sent Abner away; and he went in peace.
2Sam.5

[3] So all the elders of Israel came to the king at Hebron; and King David made a covenant with them at Hebron before the LORD, and they anointed David king over Israel.
2Sam.15

[24] And Abi'athar came up, and lo, Zadok came also, with all the Levites, bearing the ark of the covenant of God; and they set down the ark of God, until the people had all passed out of the city.
2Sam.23

[5] Yea, does not my house stand so with God?
For he has made with me an everlasting covenant,
ordered in all things and secure.
For will he not cause to prosper
all my help and my desire?

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[metis]

1Kgs.3

[15] And Solomon awoke, and behold, it was a dream. Then he came to Jerusalem, and stood before the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and offered up burnt offerings and peace offerings, and made a feast for all his servants.
1Kgs.6

[19] The inner sanctuary he prepared in the innermost part of the house, to set there the ark of the covenant of the LORD.
1Kgs.8

[1] Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of the fathers' houses of the people of Israel, before King Solomon in Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
[6] Then the priests brought the ark of the covenant of the LORD to its place, in the inner sanctuary of the house, in the most holy place, underneath the wings of the cherubim.
[9] There was nothing in the ark except the two tables of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
[21] And there I have provided a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the LORD which he made with our fathers, when he brought them out of the land of Egypt."
[23] and said, "O LORD, God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above or on earth beneath, keeping covenant and showing steadfast love to thy servants who walk before thee with all their heart;
1Kgs.11

[11] Therefore the LORD said to Solomon, "Since this has been your mind and you have not kept my covenant and my statutes which I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom from you and will give it to your servant.
1Kgs.19

[10] He said, "I have been very jealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the people of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thy altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away."
[14] He said, "I have been very jealous for the LORD, the God of hosts; for the people of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thy altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away."
1Kgs.20

[34] And Ben-ha'dad said to him, "The cities which my father took from your father I will restore; and you may establish bazaars for yourself in Damascus, as my father did in Sama'ria." And Ahab said, "I will let you go on these terms." So he made a covenant with him and let him go.
2Kgs.11

[4] But in the seventh year Jehoi'ada sent and brought the captains of the Carites and of the guards, and had them come to him in the house of the LORD; and he made a covenant with them and put them under oath in the house of the LORD, and he showed them the king's son.
[17] And Jehoi'ada made a covenant between the LORD and the king and people, that they should be the LORD's people; and also between the king and the people.
2Kgs.13

[23] But the LORD was gracious to them and had compassion on them, and he turned toward them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them; nor has he cast them from his presence until now.
2Kgs.17

[15] They despised his statutes, and his covenant that he made with their fathers, and the warnings which he gave them. They went after false idols, and became false, and they followed the nations that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had commanded them that they should not do like them.
[35] The LORD made a covenant with them, and commanded them, "You shall not fear other gods or bow yourselves to them or serve them or sacrifice to them;
[38] and you shall not forget the covenant that I have made with you. You shall not fear other gods,
2Kgs.18

[12] because they did not obey the voice of the LORD their God but transgressed his covenant, even all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded; they neither listened nor obeyed.
2Kgs.23

[2] And the king went up to the house of the LORD, and with him all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests and the prophets, all the people, both small and great; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which had been found in the house of the LORD.
[3] And the king stood by the pillar and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes, with all his heart and all his soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book; and all the people joined in the covenant.
[21] And the king commanded all the people, "Keep the passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in this book of the covenant."
1Chr.11

[3] So all the elders of Israel came to the king at Hebron; and David made a covenant with them at Hebron before the LORD, and they anointed David king over Israel, according to the word of the LORD by Samuel.
1Chr.15

[25] So David and the elders of Israel, and the commanders of thousands, went to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD from the house of O'bed-e'dom with rejoicing.
[26] And because God helped the Levites who were carrying the ark of the covenant of the LORD, they sacrificed seven bulls and seven rams.
[28] So all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, to the sound of the horn, trumpets, and cymbals, and made loud music on harps and lyres.
[29] And as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window, and saw King David dancing and making merry; and she despised him in her heart.
1Chr.16

[6] and Benai'ah and Jaha'ziel the priests were to blow trumpets continually, before the ark of the covenant of God.
[15] He is mindful of his covenant for ever,
of the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations,
[16] the covenant which he made with Abraham,
his sworn promise to Isaac,
[17] which he confirmed as a statute to Jacob,
as an everlasting covenant to Israel,
[37] So David left Asaph and his brethren there before the ark of the covenant of the LORD to minister continually before the ark as each day required,
1Chr.17

[1] Now when David dwelt in his house, David said to Nathan the prophet, "Behold, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of the covenant of the LORD is under a tent."
1Chr.22

[19] Now set your mind and heart to seek the LORD your God. Arise and build the sanctuary of the LORD God, so that the ark of the covenant of the LORD and the holy vessels of God may be brought into a house built for the name of the LORD."
1Chr.28

[2] Then King David rose to his feet and said: "Hear me, my brethren and my people. I had it in my heart to build a house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God; and I made preparations for building.
[18] for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD.
2Chr.5

[2] Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of the fathers' houses of the people of Israel, in Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.
[7] So the priests brought the ark of the covenant of the LORD to its place, in the inner sanctuary of the house, in the most holy place, underneath the wings of the cherubim.
[10] There was nothing in the ark except the two tables which Moses put there at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the people of Israel, when they came out of Egypt.
2Chr.6

[11] And there I have set the ark, in which is the covenant of the LORD which he made with the people of Israel."
[14] and said, "O LORD, God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven or on earth, keeping covenant and showing steadfast love to thy servants who walk before thee with all their heart;
2Chr.7

[18] then I will establish your royal throne, as I covenanted with David your father, saying, `There shall not fail you a man to rule Israel.'
2Chr.13

[5] Ought you not to know that the LORD God of Israel gave the kingship over Israel for ever to David and his sons by a covenant of salt?
2Chr.15

[12] And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul;
2Chr.21

[7] Yet the LORD would not destroy the house of David, because of the covenant which he had made with David, and since he had promised to give a lamp to him and to his sons for ever.
2Chr.23

[3] And all the assembly made a covenant with the king in the house of God. And Jehoi'ada said to them, "Behold, the king's son! Let him reign, as the LORD spoke concerning the sons of David.
[16] And Jehoi'ada made a covenant between himself and all the people and the king that they should be the LORD's people.
2Chr.29

[10] Now it is in my heart to make a covenant with the LORD, the God of Israel, that his fierce anger may turn away from us.
2Chr.34

[30] And the king went up to the house of the LORD, with all the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the priests and the Levites, all the people both great and small; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which had been found in the house of the LORD.
[31] And the king stood in his place and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes, with all his heart and all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant that were written in this book.
[32] Then he made all who were present in Jerusalem and in Benjamin stand to it. And the inhabitants of Jerusalem did according to the covenant of God, the God of their fathers.

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[metis]

Ezra.10

[3] Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
Neh.1

[5] And I said, "O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments;
Neh.9

[8] and thou didst find his heart faithful before thee, and didst make with him the covenant to give to his descendants the land of the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Amorite, the Per'izzite, the Jeb'usite, and the Gir'ga****e; and thou hast fulfilled thy promise, for thou art righteous.
[32] "Now therefore, our God, the great and mighty and terrible God, who keepest covenant and steadfast love, let not all the hardship seem little to thee that has come upon us, upon our kings, our princes, our priests, our prophets, our fathers, and all thy people, since the time of the kings of Assyria until this day.
[38] Because of all this we make a firm covenant and write it, and our princes, our Levites, and our priests set their seal to it.
Neh.13

[29] Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood and the covenant of the priesthood and the Levites.
Job.31

[1] "I have made a covenant with my eyes;
how then could I look upon a virgin?
Job.41

[4] Will he make a covenant with you
to take him for your servant for ever?
Ps.25

[10] All the paths of the LORD are steadfast love and faithfulness,
for those who keep his covenant and his testimonies.
[14] The friendship of the LORD is for those who fear him,
and he makes known to them his covenant.
Ps.44

[17] All this has come upon us,
though we have not forgotten thee,
or been false to thy covenant.
Ps.50

[5] "Gather to me my faithful ones,
who made a covenant with me by sacrifice!"
[16] But to the wicked God says:
"What right have you to recite my statutes,
or take my covenant on your lips?
Ps.55

[20] My companion stretched out his hand against his friends,
he violated his covenant.
Ps.74

[20] Have regard for thy covenant;
for the dark places of the land are full of the habitations of
violence.
Ps.78

[10] They did not keep God's covenant,
but refused to walk according to his law.
[37] Their heart was not steadfast toward him;
they were not true to his covenant.
Ps.83

[5] Yea, they conspire with one accord;
against thee they make a covenant --
Ps.89

[3] Thou hast said, "I have made a covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant:
[28] My steadfast love I will keep for him for ever,
and my covenant will stand firm for him.
[34] I will not violate my covenant,
or alter the word that went forth from my lips.
[39] Thou hast renounced the covenant with thy servant;
thou hast defiled his crown in the dust.
Ps.103

[18] to those who keep his covenant
and remember to do his commandments.
Ps.105

[8] He is mindful of his covenant for ever,
of the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations,
[9] the covenant which he made with Abraham,
his sworn promise to Isaac,
[10] which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute,
to Israel as an everlasting covenant,

Ps.106

[45] He remembered for their sake his covenant,
and relented according to the abundance of his steadfast love.
Ps.111

[5] He provides food for those who fear him;
he is ever mindful of his covenant.
[9] He sent redemption to his people;
he has commanded his covenant for ever.
Holy and terrible is his name!
Ps.132

[12] If your sons keep my covenant
and my testimonies which I shall teach them,
their sons also for ever
shall sit upon your throne."
Prov.2

[17] who forsakes the companion of her youth
and forgets the covenant of her God;
Isa.24

[5] The earth lies polluted
under its inhabitants;
for they have transgressed the laws,
violated the statutes,
broken the everlasting covenant.
Isa.28

[15] Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death,
and with Sheol we have an agreement;
when the overwhelming scourge passes through
it will not come to us;
for we have made lies our refuge,
and in falsehood we have taken shelter";
[18] Then your covenant with death will be annulled,
and your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
when the overwhelming scourge passes through
you will be beaten down by it.
Isa.33

[8] The highways lie waste,
the wayfaring man ceases.
Covenants are broken,
witnesses are despised,
there is no regard for man.
Isa.42

[6] "I am the LORD, I have called you in righteousness,
I have taken you by the hand and kept you;
I have given you as a covenant to the people,
a light to the nations,
Isa.49

[8] Thus says the LORD:
"In a time of favor I have answered you,
in a day of salvation I have helped you;
I have kept you and given you
as a covenant to the people,
to establish the land,
to apportion the desolate heritages;
Isa.54

[10] For the mountains may depart
and the hills be removed,
but my steadfast love shall not depart from you,
and my covenant of peace shall not be removed,
says the LORD, who has compassion on you.
Isa.55

[3] Incline your ear, and come to me;
hear, that your soul may live;
and I will make with you an everlasting covenant,
my steadfast, sure love for David.
Isa.56

[4] For thus says the LORD:
"To the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths,
who choose the things that please me
and hold fast my covenant,
[6] "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,
to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD,
and to be his servants,
every one who keeps the sabbath, and does not profane it,
and holds fast my covenant --
Isa.59

[21] "And as for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD: my spirit which is upon you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouth of your children, or out of the mouth of your children's children, says the LORD, from this time forth and for evermore."
Isa.61

[8] For I the LORD love justice,
I hate robbery and wrong;
I will faithfully give them their recompense,
and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
Jer.3

[16] And when you have multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, says the LORD, they shall no more say, "The ark of the covenant of the LORD." It shall not come to mind, or be remembered, or missed; it shall not be made again.
Jer.11

[2] "Hear the words of this covenant, and speak to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
[3] You shall say to them, Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Cursed be the man who does not heed the words of this covenant
[6] And the LORD said to me, "Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: Hear the words of this covenant and do them.
[8] Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but every one walked in the stubbornness of his evil heart. Therefore I brought upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do, but they did not."
[10] They have turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, who refused to hear my words; they have gone after other gods to serve them; the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
Jer.14

[21] Do not spurn us, for thy name's sake;
do not dishonor thy glorious throne;
remember and do not break thy covenant with us.
Jer.22

[9] And they will answer, "Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD their God, and worshiped other gods and served them."'"
Jer.31

[31] "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
[32] not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
[33] But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer.32

[40] I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them; and I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.


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[metis]

Jer.33

[20] "Thus says the LORD: If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night will not come at their appointed time,
[21] then also my covenant with David my servant may be broken, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and my covenant with the Levitical priests my ministers.
[25] Thus says the LORD: If I have not established my covenant with day and night and the ordinances of heaven and earth,
Jer.34

[8] The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, after King Zedeki'ah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to make a proclamation of liberty to them,
[10] And they obeyed, all the princes and all the people who had entered into the covenant that every one would set free his slave, male or female, so that they would not be enslaved again; they obeyed and set them free.
[13] "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: I made a covenant with your fathers when I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, saying,
[15] You recently repented and did what was right in my eyes by proclaiming liberty, each to his neighbor, and you made a covenant before me in the house which is called by my name;
[18] And the men who transgressed my covenant and did not keep the terms of the covenant which they made before me, I will make like the calf which they cut in two and passed between its parts --
Jer.50

[5] They shall ask the way to Zion, with faces turned toward it, saying, `Come, let us join ourselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant which will never be forgotten.'
Ezek.16

[8] "When I passed by you again and looked upon you, behold, you were at the age for love; and I spread my skirt over you, and covered your nakedness: yea, I plighted my troth to you and entered into a covenant with you, says the Lord GOD, and you became mine.
[59] "Yea, thus says the Lord GOD: I will deal with you as you have done, who have despised the oath in breaking the covenant,
[60] yet I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish with you an everlasting covenant.
[61] Then you will remember your ways, and be ashamed when I take your sisters, both your elder and your younger, and give them to you as daughters, but not on account of the covenant with you.
[62] I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the LORD,
Ezek.17

[13] And he took one of the seed royal and made a covenant with him, putting him under oath. (The chief men of the land he had taken away,
[14] that the kingdom might be humble and not lift itself up, and that by keeping his covenant it might stand.)
[15] But he rebelled against him by sending ambassadors to Egypt, that they might give him horses and a large army. Will he succeed? Can a man escape who does such things? Can he break the covenant and yet escape?
[16] As I live, says the Lord GOD, surely in the place where the king dwells who made him king, whose oath he despised, and whose covenant with him he broke, in Babylon he shall die.
[18] Because he despised the oath and broke the covenant, because he gave his hand and yet did all these things, he shall not escape.
[19] Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: As I live, surely my oath which he despised, and my covenant which he broke, I will requite upon his head.
Ezek.34

[25] "I will make with them a covenant of peace and banish wild beasts from the land, so that they may dwell securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.
Ezek.37

[26] I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will bless them and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Ezek.44

[7] in admitting foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, to be in my sanctuary, profaning it, when you offer to me my food, the fat and the blood. You have broken my covenant, in addition to all your abominations.
Dan.9

[4] I prayed to the LORD my God and made confession, saying, "O Lord, the great and terrible God, who keepest covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments,
[27] And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."
Dan.11

[22] Armies shall be utterly swept away before him and broken, and the prince of the covenant also.
[28] And he shall return to his land with great substance, but his heart shall be set against the holy covenant. And he shall work his will, and return to his own land.
[30] For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and give heed to those who forsake the holy covenant.
[32] He shall seduce with flattery those who violate the covenant; but the people who know their God shall stand firm and take action.
Hos.2

[18] And I will make for you a covenant on that day with the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.
Hos.6

[7] But at Adam they transgressed the covenant;
there they dealt faithlessly with me.
Hos.8

[1] Set the trumpet to your lips, for a vulture is over the house of the LORD,
because they have broken my covenant,
and transgressed my law.
Hos.10

[4] They utter mere words;
with empty oaths they make covenants;
so judgment springs up like poisonous weeds
in the furrows of the field.
Amos.1

[9] Thus says the LORD:
"For three transgressions of Tyre,
and for four, I will not revoke the punishment;
because they delivered up a whole people to Edom,
and did not remember the covenant of brotherhood.
Zech.9

[11] As for you also, because of the blood of my covenant with you,
I will set your captives free from the waterless pit.
Zech.11

[10] And I took my staff Grace, and I broke it, annulling the covenant which I had made with all the peoples.
Mal.2

[4] So shall you know that I have sent this command to you, that my covenant with Levi may hold, says the LORD of hosts.
[5] My covenant with him was a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him, that he might fear; and he feared me, he stood in awe of my name.
[8] But you have turned aside from the way; you have caused many to stumble by your instruction; you have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the LORD of hosts,
[10] Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?
[14] You ask, "Why does he not?" Because the LORD was witness to the covenant between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
Mal.3

[1] "Behold, I send my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts.

-- Bible, Revised Standard Version

 

[-Peacemaker-]

So you make a big deal about this claim that Jews have no proof of having a direct covenant, yet you think Christians have this proof based on something you can't verify whatsoever and is based on the shoddiest and shakiest claims of personal testimony.

Should these claims really be surprising? Are they not what the OT prophesizes? How else is the news supposed to get around unless people who have experienced it tell others?

Joel 2

28"And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days."

 

[metis]

Should these claims really be surprising? Are they not what the OT prophesizes? How else is the news supposed to get around unless people who have experienced it tell others?

Joel 2

28"And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days."

Please don't confuse the giving of God's Spirit with the Covenant as they're not really the same. As Jews, we don't believe that God came and provided guidance just to us.

 

[Monotheist 101]

The Covenant covered in Torah only deals with those who are circumcised, which is the mark of the Covenant done on the 8th day after birth for boys only.

Now, whether God has a covenant with any others is quite hypothetically possible at least.

What about the women?