Should Pornography Be Banned To Protect Children?

[Zephyr]

Ban if FOR CHILDREN

And for adults if PURE porn, not just a scene in a movie or something

I know this post was a while back, but I haven't been on RF since so here it goes.

You're against censorship, but want to censor porn....yeah:areyoucra. Stop jumping around and denying, you are flat-out for a form of censorship.

I agree with one thing here: children shouldn't be viewing porn. It's perfectly all right if you're an adult, but I'm just not big on chilluns seeing the sexings. Why ban it? That's just stupid. Parents just need to be more responsible.

EiNsTeiN, thank the gods congress isn't full of guys like you.

 

[Panda]

I just wanna say that we are talking about children watching porn, and not adults..

I was refuting the claim that was made that porn causes increases in crime and sexual assaults.
Now please define what age group you are classing as children. Where I live over 16 is the age you become a legal adult in the eyes of the law. Where I live you can legally have sex at 16. Now why then should a 16 year old not be aloud to look at porn?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I know this post was a while back, but I haven't been on RF since so here it goes.

You're against censorship, but want to censor porn....yeah:areyoucra. Stop jumping around and denying, you are flat-out for a form of censorship.

I agree with one thing here: children shouldn't be viewing porn. It's perfectly all right if you're an adult, but I'm just not big on chilluns seeing the sexings. Why ban it? That's just stupid. Parents just need to be more responsible.

EiNsTeiN, thank the gods congress isn't full of guys like you.

Thanks for the complement..Honestly it's my pleasure not to be in the congress!

Anyway, I'm against censorship of MOVIES..
But I'm with Banning PURE porn...I mean porn channels...Playboy, etc

I was refuting the claim that was made that porn causes increases in crime and sexual assaults.
Now please define what age group you are classing as children. Where I live over 16 is the age you become a legal adult in the eyes of the law. Where I live you can legally have sex at 16. Now why then should a 16 year old not be aloud to look at porn?

Well, Panda, I'm afraid the sentences you quoted didn't show that point clearly..

Anyway, in my country, i can't have sex before 18 years old..

But I'm talking about little children, below 12 maybe..The stage when they are emotionaly, mentaly, and psyclogically developing to become what they will be for the rest of theirlives..

 

[Valjean]

I just wanna say that we are talking about children watching porn, and not adults..

Exactly! -- and the studies cited found there is nothing intrinsically harmful in it. It is the adults that are shocked yet titillated by it, because they have had no exposure to it during their formative years. No exposure = no resistance; no self control.

Are there Bikini-clad women on Egyptian beaches, EiNsTeiN? -- I doubt it.
What would not raise an eyebrow in Europe would cause riots in Egypt, Arabia or Iran.

Because of your repressive attitudes toward nudity and sexuality, Egyptian, and middle-eastern men in general, have no self control and and are likely to fly completely off the handle with irresistible lust should they happen to glimpse a woman's leg, or, in some places, even her face or hair.

This is not my assertion, EiNsTeiN. This is orthodox dogma. This is the excuse given by Quranic scholars themselves for women's traditional dress and the repressive social restrictions they are burdened with in middle-Eastern societies.

The experiences of other societies belies your assertion that children, or adults, for that matter, should be shielded from nudity and normal sexuality. Open sexuality has been the norm in most cultures for a million years. Only recently, with the advent of repression, have deviant, anti-social sexual pathologies arisen.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Exactly! -- and the studies cited found there is nothing intrinsically harmful in it. It is the adults that are shocked yet titillated by it, because they have had no exposure to it during their formative years. No exposure = no resistance; no self control.

Are there Bikini-clad women on Egyptian beaches, EiNsTeiN? -- I doubt it.

Yeah, and there are topless beaches too!

What would not raise an eyebrow in Europe would cause riots in Egypt, Arabia or Iran.

Because of your repressive attitudes toward nudity and sexuality, Egyptian, and middle-eastern men in general, have no self control and and are likely to fly completely off the handle with irresistible lust should they happen to glimpse a woman's leg, or, in some places, even her face or hair.

This is not my assertion, EiNsTeiN. This is orthodox dogma. This is the excuse given by Quranic scholars themselves for women's traditional dress and the repressive social restrictions they are burdened with in middle-Eastern societies.

The experiences of other societies belies your assertion that children, or adults, for that matter, should be shielded from nudity and normal sexuality. Open sexuality has been the norm in most cultures for a million years. Only recently, with the advent of repression, have deviant, anti-social sexual pathologies arisen.

I know what you want to say, and I agree with it..
But imagine how would be the first sex experience to those who were never been exposed to porn before..(yet, sexually educated)?
Certainly that would be awsome..

I'm one of the guys here (and they are many) who are sexually educated yet not exposed to porn...And I dont find any troubles or insecurities with women..
I still have many friends from the opposite sex, and some who are very close...I have many collegues as well from the opposite sex, and it's just going so fine..
They also don't have to wear mini skirts and then accuse me for being sexually excited!

When I go on the summer vacasion, I don't have to keep staring at naked women so that to gain a resistance

As a matter of fact, I dont wanna gain a resistance!

 

[Luke_17:2]

So you are preventing you children from watching porn?
Why is that?

Well, my kids are grown; but I'm against it because showing those things to immature kids -who have raging hormones- is not healthy. Then we have religious reasons. The Bible says, "Set no wicked thing before thine eyes...": I raise my kids by that verse, and to believe it.

But all adults have a right to do so if they want. I just raise my kids to not be like that.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Well, my kids are grown; but I'm against it because showing those things to immature kids -who have raging hormones- is not healthy. Then we have religious reasons. The Bible says, "Set no wicked thing before thine eyes...": I raise my kids by that verse, and to believe it.

But all adults have a right to do so if they want. I just raise my kids to not be like that.

Thanks alot

 

[Sahar]

No exposure = no resistance; no self control.

Are there Bikini-clad women on Egyptian beaches, EiNsTeiN? -- I doubt it.
What would not raise an eyebrow in Europe would cause riots in Egypt, Arabia or Iran.

Because of your repressive attitudes toward nudity and sexuality, Egyptian, and middle-eastern men in general, have no self control and and are likely to fly completely off the handle with irresistible lust should they happen to glimpse a woman's leg, or, in some places, even her face or hair.

The above says that you don't know what you're talking about, really.
But lets see "the Egyptian and Middle Eastern men have no self control", this is sweet...but it's not the middle eastern men who usually have 5, 10, 14 or maybe more than 20, who knows, different sexual partners (opposite sex, the same sex, animals.....multiple partners at the same time... some you know, someone you don't...anything works). Fortunately, the materialistic, lustful and sensual western life style is not very prevalent here; the western culture that worships the body, desires and lust, thank God the case is much better here. Thank God that moral values mean much to many Middle Easterns more than the animalistic and materialistic ones. Thank God that women are more respected here and not treated as sex objects as in the West where women's bodies are cheap goods being bought and sold. Thank God that that our societies haven't reached yet this nasty level of moral decadence and of lowness which is a life style in the West.
Ha, Irresistible lust!! Middle Easterns? How funny?!
Want to judge Middle Easterns according to your standards, i have my standards too....

 

[Sunstone]

This is a very difficult subject for me because I think children should be prevented from seeing porn that depicts sexual violence. On the other hand, history seems to indicate that when you start censoring things -- even things that probably deserve to be censored -- you end up with an authoritarian government censoring political speech. That's to say, censoring porn is often enough a precursor to censoring free speech.

 

[Smoke]

Thank God that moral values mean much to many Middle Easterns more than the animalistic and materialistic ones.

Yeah, the kind of moral values where a woman is beaten, and even raped, if she dares to go out of the house with her head uncovered, where men murder their daughters and sisters for having been raped. Some moral values you got there. If Islam really taught such great morals, a woman could walk naked down the streets of Cairo or Baghdad or Tehran, and the men wouldn't bother her because of their own modesty.

 

[sandandfoam]

Fortunately, the materialistic, lustful and sensual western life style is not very prevalent here; the western culture that worships the body, desires and lust, thank God the case is much better here. Thank God that moral values mean much to many Middle Easterns more than the animalistic and materialistic ones. Thank God that women are more respected here and not treated as sex objects as in the West where women's bodies are cheap goods being bought and sold. Thank God that that our societies haven't reached yet this nasty level of moral decadence and of lowness which is a life style in the West.

I suspect if you examine behind the outer veneer you would find that people are pretty much the same all over the world. It is a misconception to think of women "as sex objects as in the West where women's bodies are cheap goods being bought and sold."
Women in the west are pretty much the same as those in the middle east, Africa, Asia or wherever. Just like the men.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

Yeah, the kind of moral values where a woman is beaten, and even raped, if she dares to go out of the house with her head uncovered, where men murder their daughters and sisters for having been raped.

mmm....Where does that happen exactly?

 

[EiNsTeiN]

By the way, there is no way to compare the percentages of rapping between the US and any of the middle eastern countries..

I remeber in Opera Winfrey show, they were discussing that there are around 1000 rape cases everyday in the US

 

[Panda]

Thank God that moral values mean much to many Middle Easterns more than the animalistic and materialistic ones.

No I think you have less moral values actually. You have religious values not moral values, many of these are extremely immoral. It is immoral to not let a woman work outside her house without being covered. It is immoral not to let woman drive a car. It is immoral not to give woman every single right that a man has. It is immoral to give a man control over a woman merely because she is a woman.

Thank God that women are more respected here and not treated as sex objects as in the West where women's bodies are cheap goods being bought and sold.

Don't make me laugh. Woman are objects in the middle east far more than in the west. They are owned by their husbands or their fathers just like an animal.

Thank God that that our societies haven't reached yet this nasty level of moral decadence and of lowness which is a life style in the West.

I am just glad the west isn't still in the dark ages where "morals" are a term used as a reason to withhold progress and inflict censorship and lack of freedom on the people

Ha, Irresistible lust!! Middle Easterns? How funny?!
Want to judge Middle Easterns according to your standards, i have my standards too....

Set them higher then.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

No I think you have less moral values actually. You have religious values not moral values, many of these are extremely immoral. It is immoral to not let a woman work outside her house without being covered. It is immoral not to let woman drive a car. It is immoral not to give woman every single right that a man has. It is immoral to give a man control over a woman merely because she is a woman.


Don't make me laugh. Woman are objects in the middle east far more than in the west. They are owned by their husbands or their fathers just like an animal.


I am just glad the west isn't still in the dark ages where "morals" are a term used as a reason to withhold progress and inflict censorship and lack of freedom on the people


Set them higher then.

Wow..!
Really wow!

When I first joined RF, I wanted to let people know we don't live in tents any more..

For awhile, I thought I succeeded in that..
But really OMG!

I can't believe you are saying that Panda!..

First of all....who said women can't work outside her house without being covered?
As a matter of fact, many jobs require women to be UNcovered (and thats just sad!)
Women can work wherever they want, even in KSA..

Women can drive cars OFCOURSE, except in the KSA

"Dark ages"??...those dark ages you are talking about are over for more than 100 years now!

Please, you take yourself to the next step, and start realizing that we are not freaks as you think!..

I'm really offended everytime I see a post like that, thinking we still living in caves!!

I invite you to visit Egypt, or any other eastern country to judge yourself!!

 

[Sunstone]

The Middle East has its problems. So does the West. But just how can anyone condemn a whole society without being superficial? Please think about it.

 

[Panda]

Wow..!
Really wow!

When I first joined RF, I wanted to let people know we don't live in tents any more..

For awhile, I thought I succeeded in that..
But really OMG!

I can't believe you are saying that Panda!..

First of all....who said women can't work outside her house without being covered?
As a matter of fact, many jobs require women to be UNcovered (and thats just sad!)
Women can work wherever they want, even in KSA..

Women can drive cars OFCOURSE, except in the KSA

"Dark ages"??...those dark ages you are talking about are over for more than 100 years now!

Please, you take yourself to the next step, and start realizing that we are not freaks as you think!..

I'm really offended everytime I see a post like that, thinking we still living in caves!!

I invite you to visit Egypt, or any other eastern country to judge yourself!!

I have been to Egypt. After being there this is my opinion of the place. My ex-girlfriend lived in Saudi Arabia, outside the compounds woman couldn't even drive a car(if they SA nationals). The middle east is still even further than the west for having equal rights for woman.

 

[sandandfoam]

No I think you have less moral values actually. You have religious values not moral values, many of these are extremely immoral. It is immoral to not let a woman work outside her house without being covered. It is immoral not to let woman drive a car. It is immoral not to give woman every single right that a man has. It is immoral to give a man control over a woman merely because she is a woman.


Don't make me laugh. Woman are objects in the middle east far more than in the west. They are owned by their husbands or their fathers just like an animal.


I am just glad the west isn't still in the dark ages where "morals" are a term used as a reason to withhold progress and inflict censorship and lack of freedom on the people


Set them higher then.

I think it's always worth remembering that the Islamic world kept science, philosophy and knowledge from the ancient world including Greeks and Romans alive at a time when western europe was descending into the barbarity of the Dark Ages. Indeed I'm no expert but wasn't a lot of it housed in a library in Alexandra at a time when Christian Europe was burning books?

 

[Sunstone]

I think it's always worth remembering that the Islamic world kept science, philosophy and knowledge from the ancient world including Greeks and Romans alive at a time when western europe was descending into the barbarity of the Dark Ages. Indeed I'm no expert but wasn't a lot of it housed in a library in Alexandra at a time when Christian Europe was burning books?

So far as I know, the Library of Alexandra was destroyed in three separate fires before the rise of Islam. But even if that's the case, it is still true that some of the most valuable texts of the ancient world were preserved by Muslim scholars. When those texts were reintroduced to Europe, they helped fuel the Renaissance.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

I have been to Egypt. After being there this is my opinion of the place. My ex-girlfriend lived in Saudi Arabia, outside the compounds woman couldn't even drive a car(if they SA nationals). The middle east is still even further than the west for having equal rights for woman.

well, I said that in KSA, women can't drive..(BTW, KSA has it's own good reasons for that)

But are you sure you have been in any other Eastern country?...and you thought there are no rights for women?

I doubt...I have female american and german friends living here in Cairo, and we were all working together in a common workshop..
They never said such a word, and they were always free to do whatever they wanted with no disturbance from anybody..