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Should public college be free of cost, or would it create too much liability?
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That won't help when the pay drops so low due to field saturation its not worth the trouble of going to college in the first place.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's already happened. Look at data processing.
Stay with thee reality. Vit will happen.
I wonder: how many of the people who would be eligible for a free education are already getting government-funded educations through either ROTC or GI Bill programs?
Which field do you think this would happen in, specifically?
We Never Know
No Slack
Community colleges.... Yes
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
It'd be a percentage, sure.
Also, I have been hearing about programs in some states now, which are allowing for free, or mostly free, tuition. And, contrary to @Twilight Hue 's thoughts, I haven't heard anything about the states imploding yet.
We Never Know
No Slack
Those in the military signed a check with their life.
In Arizona, the state constitution says that university education should be "as nearly free as possible," though it hasn't really worked out that way.
I suppose it could be free, though if that's the case, it might also be worthwhile to set stricter standards and entrance requirements.
No. In college you are specializing in something for a vocation that should ideally be paying you. So its important that there be a price signal so that only degrees that give a good career is selected by the students as they know that the other degrees will not earn them enough to pay back the money they are investing in their education. It also helps in motivation.
That said, I am always for having a large pool of scholarships for poorer students and those who are bright and meritorious. Decreasing of college tuition fees is also an important thing to do.
Secret Chief
Very strong language
College in the UK (16-18 year olds) is free. University was for many years in the UK free. In fact most students got means tested grants. These days many people need to apply for loans in order to attend uni.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7258/
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7258/
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Philosophy is one I really don't get when people question and doubt it and because law schools tend to like applicants with a lot of philosophy as an undergrad.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then we basically end up having very, very few who work with kids in most areas where working with kids is specialized.
Working with kids is lousy pay but someone has to do it.
If society believes that working with kids is important, then they should increase the pay and invest resources in it. Making things free simply hides the problems that society has in assignment of its priorities without solving them.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's important regardless of what society thinks. Making it easier for people who will likely never be better off than moderately comfortable, if they get that, isn't fixing all of societies woes but it is help where it's needed and working with what we have rather than waiting for paradigm shift in social thinking.
Why not have targeted scholarships and fellowships instead?
Why not have a targeted bill to finance child care services?
They seem to be much easier and effective way to do the same thing rather than a blanket free college education bill.
PureX
Veteran Member
Or maybe we could educate folks like you in the humanities so you could learn that we are all in this world together, and our own well being depends on everyone else's.
PureX
Veteran Member
The problem I'm seeing here is that too many of you think the purpose of an education is make one more economically viable.
It's not.
And thinking that it is, is why our educational systems are failing. But greed poisons everything it touches, and education has become poisoned by it just like everything else has. Especially our minds and hearts. Which is why a real education is so important. It can provide the antidote for all that poison.
My solution would be to break up the way colleges teach so that a student could learn a trade AND pursue a humanities interest at the same time. And adults of any age could return to learn about whatever subjects they needed or desired throughout their lives. Education should happen throughout our lives. And be constantly encouraged. Not prohibited by cost and punished by crushing debt.
It's not.
And thinking that it is, is why our educational systems are failing. But greed poisons everything it touches, and education has become poisoned by it just like everything else has. Especially our minds and hearts. Which is why a real education is so important. It can provide the antidote for all that poison.
My solution would be to break up the way colleges teach so that a student could learn a trade AND pursue a humanities interest at the same time. And adults of any age could return to learn about whatever subjects they needed or desired throughout their lives. Education should happen throughout our lives. And be constantly encouraged. Not prohibited by cost and punished by crushing debt.
Let's say one graduates with a BA in philosophy.
Or film. And then one isn't suited for law school.
One can learn to write & research from this, but
is it worth 4 years of study & paying big bills?
Too many treat college as merely what's expected
of them. Then they discover they aren't even
qualified for a job that enables paying back loans.