Should public college be free of cost, or would it create too much liability?

[Shadow Wolf]

Anthropology graduates likely lead the pack
in pressing Biden for student loan relief.
But "forensic anthropology" is a completely
different field...it's useful.

Forensic anthropology is anthropology. It isn't a completely different field, it is the same exact field. Having a different focus and being of a different branch doesn't make them a different field.

 

[Revoltingest]

Forensic anthropology is anthropology.

Ever taken any anthropology courses, eg, physical, cultural?
I have. Dint learn anything useful in solving crimes.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I took my first anthro course in my junior year of college, and I found it so fascination that almost all my classes for the rest of that year and into my senior year was in anthro. After graduation, I did my graduate degree in it, and ended up teaching it for 30 years. I have never regretted having a special focus in that field, and I still do quite a bit of reading in it even though I'll have been retired for 20 years this spring.

I too really enjoyed the subject, and took all the classes that were offered on it. Which, unfortunately, wasn't enough for a minor.
If anything, it goes to show it's really in how people view and use knowledge. For example, Julius Ceasar would have loved having full time, well studied anthropologists as we have today. It would of course be for ill and malicious intent, but it would have made his goal of conquest easier. As Emerson said, there is no knowledge that is not power.

 

[Revoltingest]

I too really enjoyed the subject....

Would you borrow money to study it for 4 years?
Sure, if you're really lucky....one of the few...you
might could be able to teach anthropology to
anthropology majors. My advice....learn a trade.
You can always read about anthropology in your
spare time for free.

 

[metis]

I too really enjoyed the subject, and took all the classes that were offered on it. Which, unfortunately, wasn't enough for a minor.
If anything, it goes to show it's really in how people view and use knowledge. For example, Julius Ceasar would have loved having full time, well studied anthropologists as we have today. It would of course be for ill and malicious intent, but it would have made his goal of conquest easier. As Emerson said, there is no knowledge that is not power.

Thanks for the above reply.

BTW, in my undergrad studies, I largely focused on physical anthropology, and then in my grad work that was almost entirely on cultural anthropology. How about your emphasis?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ever taken any anthropology courses, eg, physical, cultural?
I have. Dint learn anything useful in solving crimes.

I've taken several, and have looked into forensic anthropology. Most of what they are taught in school doesn't have anything to do with crime solving. And that's because they aren't taught how to solve crimes. They are taught the ins and outs of humans (physical anthropology is among the top priorities) in order to interpret evidence. Like anatomy. It doesn't have anything to do with crime solving by forensic anthropologists must be top notch experts in human anatomy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You can always read about anthropology in your
spare time for free.

Reading about anthropology is boring. It's studying people in an academic setting. And they too have bills to pay so they get published in things that aren't free.

My advice....learn a trade.

My advice is more practical. Learn how to secure income. The normal job route, going to school, going to trade school, that assumes you can get a job to begin with. It's a normie way of looking at it. Focusing on being able to get income is more realistic. That may include learning to jump through the hoops to get a normal job, it could be having to learn to go other routes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've taken several, and have looked into forensic anthropology. Most of what they are taught in school doesn't have anything to do with crime solving. And that's because they aren't taught how to solve crimes. They are taught the ins and outs of humans (physical anthropology is among the top priorities) in order to interpret evidence. Like anatomy. It doesn't have anything to do with crime solving by forensic anthropologists must be top notch experts in human anatomy.

I'll wager that less than 1% of anthropology majors
ever find work in forensic anthropology. But more
that what would be welching on student loan payments.
Don't borrow money for training that won't pay enuf
to repay the loans.

 

[metis]

My advice is more practical. Learn how to secure income. The normal job route, going to school, going to trade school, that assumes you can get a job to begin with. It's a normie way of looking at it. Focusing on being able to get income is more realistic. That may include learning to jump through the hoops to get a normal job, it could be having to learn to go other routes.

I started my role as an educator teaching high school history, and one of the things I always taught my students was to be diversified educationally in our fast-changing world, thus I really appreciate what you write above.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thanks for the above reply.

BTW, in my undergrad studies, I largely focused on physical anthropology, and then in my grad work that was almost entirely on cultural anthropology. How about your emphasis?

I'd like to study how destructive evangelism is, highlighting how many Evangelical churches fit the description of a cult, exploring the depths of trauma based in the doctrine of Hell, amd quasi-psychotic behaviors it results in such as when parents cut all ties to a gay child.

 

[Watchmen]

The question up for debate is...

Should public college be free of cost, or would it create too much liability?

My side: I take the stance that yes, free tuition of public college would indeed be best for society in general. It could be costly for government. And it could cause other problems which need to be addressed as they spring up. But one way of paying for it is, if more people go to college, they make more money (in a perfect world), then they have more money that can be taxed. So not only do you potentially end up with a more educated society, but in the long run, there's the hope that free public college will eventually pay for itself by someone's potential 20+ years of work before retirement, should the average be that high, and the additional tax dollars picked up along the way from the higher salaries of said workers.

But it’s not free at the time. People like me will pay for it. You’re welcome.

 

[Revoltingest]

I started my role as an educator teaching high school history, and one of the things I always taught my students was to be diversified educationally in our fast-changing world, thus I really appreciate what you write above.

Would you advise students to borrow
money to study anthropology? Better
to get training to make a living. Then
anthropology could be a hobby.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'll wager that less than 1% of anthropology majors
ever find work in forensic anthropology. But more
that what would be welching on student loan payments.
Don't borrow money for training that won't pay enuf
to repay the loans.

Not all anthropology majors focus in forensic anthropology, and wouldn't be qualified for it so you might be correct.
And how are you measuring the "pay enough"? Lots of people don't have a single source of income. Would the training pay enough have to strictly come from anthropology related employment, or could this include things like book sales that rely on the training but not directly related to the job?

 

[Revoltingest]

But it’s not free at the time. People like me will pay for it. You’re welcome.

I'm OK with people wanting to spend years getting
degrees in women's studies, art history, medieval
literature, etc. But they shouldn't borrow money
they won't be able to repay. And they shouldn't
expect taxpayers to give'm a free ride for something
of no general benefit.
Not all education is worth the cost.

 

[metis]

I'd like to study how destructive evangelism is, highlighting how many Evangelical churches fit the description of a cult, exploring the depths of trauma based in the doctrine of Hell, amd quasi-psychotic behaviors it results in such as when parents cut all ties to a gay child.

Yes, I totally agree with you that this needs to be studied more as it is getting out of hand and really causing much division and hurt. The "Christian Nationalism" craze is really a serious problem here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Would you advise students to borrow
money to study anthropology? Better
to get training to make a living. Then
anthropology could be a hobby.

Lots of anthropologists are making a living as anthropologists. You might as well he saying archeologists don't make a living and can do other things so archeology can be a hobby (except that one too is a branch of anthropology).

 

[metis]

And how are you measuring the "pay enough"? Lots of people don't have a single source of income. Would the training pay enough have to strictly come from anthropology related employment, or could this include things like book sales that rely on the training but not directly related to the job?

Well, I agree and think that it's also a matter of what one may relate to. Like, why would I discourage one to go into a field of their dream as long as they also have plans for Plan B and maybe even Plan C? Nor would I tell a student to go into my field as that would be arrogance on my part and potentially not helpful to the other person.

Thus, again, I agree with your drift above. I now spend considerable time reading books and articles on cosmology, especially quantum mechanics and the BB, but I'm not going to earn even $1 from it all. I also enjoy reading theology books on different religions and topics but my pay level is quite low.

How about you?

 

[Twilight Hue]

It'd be a percentage, sure.

Also, I have been hearing about programs in some states now, which are allowing for free, or mostly free, tuition. And, contrary to @Twilight Hue 's thoughts, I haven't heard anything about the states imploding yet.

That's because they are rigged.

In NY you have to go full time for your 'free' education. It's called Excelsior.

That petty much eliminates people who need full time jobs to get said 'free' college. You can't go part time while working.

Also a certain GPA must be maintained or you will get kicked out the program and incur the debt on your own bill.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Which field do you think this would happen in, specifically?

I mentioned it already.

Data processing.

It already happened, like I said earlier.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How about you?

I recently read Dawkins. It was not enjoyable or pleasant. But now I'm reading Sagan, and those are very different people. I should probably work on myself to be more like Sagan, because Dawkins is a grump and not at all what I want to be like.