Should Sharia Law be forbidden in Non-Muslim (Western) countries?

[Notanumber]

Does Islam forbid the right to have or express a sense of humour?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Sir I'm sure if God shows himself right now u will say maybe he is a liar maybe he pretends maybe it's my imagination maybe I'm in dream

Yeah, you're probably right. I would. Because all we have to go on regarding his nature is a text or two that describe him as morally perfect, as the source of a morality that applies objectively - to everything. Then all of a sudden God can get away with doing things that we can't like murder, inflicting pain & suffering and all of a sudden it's not immoral. Because he's God. Because 'might makes right' all of a sudden, which is a horrifically barbaric way of thinking.

So don't bother just prepare yourself for perdition

Yawn

Spare me your worthless threats. I'm already hell-bound according to some twenty thousand different sects of Christianity and a dozen or so sects of Islam. It's the whole 'boy cries wolf' story all over again.

God doesn't expect from those who live in Africa and know nothing

Hold up, was that some casual racism you just tossed in there? Why would people in Africa not know anything about Islam?

But u are different your capacity shows something else

If I'm punished for rejecting a message & system of morals & ethics I find (and can see) isn't very efficacious or convincing then the god doing it isn't very moral.

 

[Akivah]

The most important thing that we must regard here is that not convincing about some religion's laws can't ruin the whole of laws and religion's principles
Unfortunately some unbelievers think that everything in a religion should be based on rational matters and if something is unclear they reject the whole
This is not true at all
Hope I could convey my purpose

I understand. I hope YOU can extend those same thoughts to the other religions in the world.

 

[Akivah]

Does Islam forbid the right to have or express a sense of humour?

I looked up this question on Wikipedia and learned something. Apparently Muhammad rarely laughed and that afflicts Islam unto the present day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_humour

Laughter, fun, and joking are permissible in Islam provided guidelines from Quran and Hadith are followed. For humor to be in accordance with Islam, the joke should not insult anyone, should not frighten anyone, should be within the limits of Islamic tolerance, should tell the truth, should not be offensive, should not contain un-Islamic material or promote immorality and indecency.

Aisha wife of the Prophet Muhammad narrated:"I never saw the Messenger of Allah laugh fully to such an extent that I could see his uvula. He would only smile."

Prophet Muhammad said: "A man may say something to make his companions laugh, and he will fall into Hell as far as the Pleiades because of it."

Prophet Muhammad said: "Do not laugh too much, for laughing too much deadens the heart."

 

[Notanumber]

Just found this and thought it was worth posting here.

He makes some good points.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Does Islam forbid the right to have or express a sense of humour?

One example (there are plenty of others):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_Made_Me_Funny

 

[Notanumber]

I found this, but I think he needs to work on his material.

Are there any better examples?

Thanks anyway.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I found this, but I think he needs to work on his material.

Are there any better examples?

Thanks anyway.

I'm not saying the material is great . But the point is that Muslims can do humour.

Here are some more e.g.s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Muslim_comedians

 

[Notanumber]

I'm not saying the material is great . But the point is that Muslims can do humour.

Here are some more e.g.s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Muslim_comedians

Do any of these comedians practice their craft in Islamic controlled countries?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Do any of these comedians practice their craft in Islamic controlled countries?

Not sure what you mean by 'Islamic controlled countries'. But if Indonesia and Malaysia count, Sakdiyah Ma'ruf from that list does. Indonesia and Malaysia have no shortage of comedians (many of whom are Muslims). Here's a couple more links: http://www.harithiskander.com/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raja_Lawak_Astro (this isn't just a talent-spotting show, established comedians also compete on it).
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Saudi_Arabian_comedians, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Egyptian_comedians, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Iranian_comedians, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pakistani_comedians.

I'm sure some of my sisters and brothers on here can also come up with some names.

 

[Notanumber]

Not sure what you mean by 'Islamic controlled countries'. But if Indonesia and Malaysia count, Sakdiyah Ma'ruf from that list does. Indonesia and Malaysia have no shortage of comedians (many of whom are Muslims). Here's a couple more links: http://www.harithiskander.com/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raja_Lawak_Astro (this isn't just a talent-spotting show, established comedians also compete on it).
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Saudi_Arabian_comedians, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Egyptian_comedians, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Iranian_comedians, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pakistani_comedians.

I'm sure some of my sisters and brothers on here can also come up with some names.

I still haven’t found any to compare with Dave Allen or Father Ted.

They didn’t bother about crossing red lines regarding religion and they were funny.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I still haven’t found any to compare with Dave Allen or Father Ted.

They didn’t bother about crossing red lines regarding religion and they were funny.

Sure, but these guys didn't face quite the same kinds of opprobrium/worse that Muslim comedians face in many Muslim countries if they cross those red lines at the moment. In any case, my point still stands, that there is no shortage of Muslim comedians (both in Muslim-minority and Muslim-majority countries), i.e. that there is no necessary contradiction between Islaam and having a sense of humour.

If you are willing to go back a bit further, Nasreddin Hoja https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasreddin shows the perfect compatibility between Islaam and humour/satirism. Nasreddin stories remain popular across the Muslim world today. Go back further still, and Abu Nuwas is a good example of someone who was willing to cross red lines. The Wikipedia page for Abu Nuwas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Nuwas has some issues, but it's not a bad starting point. His work is still in circulation today, though often faces censorship.

Go back even further, to the time of the Prophet (pbuh) himself, and a good example of someone with a sense of humour is Al-Nuayman ibn Amr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nuayman_ibn_Amr. Even the Prophet (pbuh) was the butt of some of his jokes, and the Prophet (pbuh) had no problem having a good laugh.

 

[Notanumber]

It depends on what he was laughing at.

Most of what I have seen is more like propaganda disguised as comedy.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

It depends on what he was laughing at.

Most of what I have seen is more like propaganda disguised as comedy.

Your original question was: 'Does Islam forbid the right to have or express a sense of humour?' I think I have answered that satisfactorily enough (in the negative). Of course, comedy and humour can be used in all sorts of different ways, for all sorts of different purposes (one could say Dave Allen was deploying humour for a quite specific propagandistic purpose - to ridicule much of religion, in particular the Roman Catholic Church and Church of England, and especially authority figures). And if you are going to hold Father Ted or Dave Allen up as your yardstick for what counts as humour, and say that anything that falls short of that is not really comedy/humour, then a lot of things widely considered comedy/humour will fail by that yardstick.

For what it's worth, I always had a particular fondness for Dave Allen. And in case you're thinking, well that's because the focus of his ridicule was the Church, I also didn't have a problem with the so-called Muhammad cartoons (which weren't all that funny, as humour goes, I have to say), but hopefully you get my point.

 

[Notanumber]

Any religion should be able to withstand ridicule without resorting to violence.

I know it’s not in the same league as Dave Allen and Father Ted, but what do you think of this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...think-makes-fun-Islam-stereotypes-Asians.html

Even though it has those red lines.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Any religion should be able to withstand ridicule without resorting to violence.

I know it’s not in the same league as Dave Allen and Father Ted, but what do you think of this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...think-makes-fun-Islam-stereotypes-Asians.html

Even though it has those red lines.

Are you asking what I make of the series, or of the abuse and death threats?

 

[Notanumber]

Are you asking what I make of the series, or of the abuse and death threats?

Both

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Both

Okay, well, I've never watched the series, so can't comment on whether I think it is funny or not.

As to the abuse and death threats, the latter are certainly out of order. The former, depends to an extent on the nature of the abuse (I'm a libertarian, so hold to a pretty inclusive definition of freedom of expression, which is why I would defend the freedom of the creators of the Muhammad cartoons to do so without fear of harm/death, even if I find at least some of their cartoons distasteful).

 

[Notanumber]

Try this

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Try this

Thanks. I'll have a look (probably not for a couple days, tho).