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Should Sharia Law be forbidden in Non-Muslim (Western) countries?

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Shad

Veteran Member
This verse can show u the value of human beings in Quran irrespective of their gender although there are lots of traditions about women

Too bad your actions are not compatible with this verse. It is called being a hypocritical. "Do as I say not as I do."

Truth is truth and GOD is GOD

This is your opinion, nothing more

We believe in divine prophets all of them since they were slaves of god

This is your opinion, nothing more

And just i told u we should fulfill god's order and I tried to explain the reason of this law. That's it

This is your opinion, nothing more. More so your God is sexist.


Amusing. Once you run out of arguments you start quoting your religious view as if it has any meaning to me. It doesn't.
 
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The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

Ah, that bastion of intelligence. Where religious preachers are so wise & profound they link seismic activity to women breaching their barbaric standards of modesty.


Look be realistic!!!
U truly live in fantasy

Of the two of us, I'm not the one who believes a man was literally carried to Heaven on a flying horse.


Who can deny that men are lecherous and can't control their unbridled passions so the best and rational thing that we can do to protect women from those men is to wear hijab
When a woman wears it men know that this woman wants to protect her glory and doesn't want to be trampled by men

The best thing society can do is to teach men to curb their lusts and exercise some self-restraint. If your God-sent solution is so effective you'll have to explain to me why it is that women still get raped or assaulted because men happen to want sex with them - even if they're veiled. Or, gods forbid, they have acid thrown in their faces for rejecting male advances. This is exactly what happens when society tells men they're not responsible for their desires and resultant actions but women are. It's pure patriarchy and it's abhorrent.


But a woman that reveals her beauty and her body to men shouldn't expect that men respect him

This is exactly what I mean. You tell us that your way is better and then show is why it's actually worse. You claim to respect women but if they dare to dress as they wish with the reasonable expectation of not being harassed, ridiculed or assaulted you decide that they don't deserve respect. Has it ever occurred to you to respect women because they're human beings first & foremost, regardless of what they wear?


Something that u overlook is that we at first place are animals by reason we are human
And most of the people don't use their reason and instead are slaves of their passions

That happens when society tells them not to take responsibility for their thoughts, feelings & desires. Like in Iran and plenty of other Muslim countries.


read my previous posts

I have and have noticed you tend to blame the West for other things there as well. This is not surprising.


In Iran صفویه is a good example of it also this one wasn't theocratic

Uh, pardon? Could you explain what that word in Persian is, please? I can't find a decent translator.


Saudi Arabia is a creature of US
It just produces terrorists but weapons and information and plans and everything else is by support of US
Hillary Clinton says in one of her books that she traveled to more than 100 countries to gather criminals in Iraq and Syria

I agree. Americans can be really bad for ignoring international law. That doesn't make Iran and its tyrants any better. Do you think the immorality of the infidel excuses the excesses and immoral actions of your own political leaders?


Actually do u know that isis in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan don't kill American army???

Islamic State don't the American army because the American army isn't in these countries any more. They either pulled out or were never there to begin with.


Human is human
Arrogant countries since pretend believe in God while they don't can use it again but a clergy doesn't allow himself to produce or use them at all.

How do you know they pretended to believe in God? Can you see into the minds of past people? Can you tell us when exactly they stopped believing in God in relation to the A-bomb? Was it when the Oppenheimer Project first began? Was it when they tested the first atomic device? Was it when the Enola Gay was in the air? Etc


That's what I am insist on
Theocracy is best and pious people should be leaders not others that corruption is part of their existence!

This idea never works in practice because the end result is these 'pious people' are given unchallengeable power which inevitably causes corruption every single time. People will always become corrupt if their actions are divorced from any real consequences. That's why theocracies never work: the powerful inevitably lose all form of accountability. Theocracies end up being repressive nightmares against anybody who doesn't toe the party line 100%. Hell, they're even repressive for those who agree because they don't have the option of freely being able to change their minds. Iran is actually a classic example of why theocracies fail:
  • Religious minorities are restricted to their own segregated legislature with limited powers while unelected Muslims can make laws for everybody;
  • Non-Muslim faiths can't accept converts because by-and-large they'd be Muslims converting out of Islam which is forbidden;
  • Women are subjected to ****-shaming, body-shaming social attitudes which lead to them being attacked for daring to refuse mens' advances. If Iranian men grew a pair, manned up and took responsibility for themselves then maybe women wouldn't have it so bad;
  • People in your country can end up in trouble if they earn the Ayatollah's ire - and nothing else. They aren't necessarily criminals; he just doesn't like them. That is pretty corrupt.


Besides I told u Islam is something and Muslims's actions is something else like other religions

So now all of a sudden there's no link between behaviour & belief. That was awfully fast & convenient. You quoted a Quranic verse in one of your previous posts to justify why Islam is a moral belief system. The "it is as if he has killed all of mankind" verse, I believe. Clearly there is a link between belief & behaviour when it suits you.
 

interminable

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If you are going to blame anyone in the US, blame Hillary Clinton and her dealings with Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...oney-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html

Having said that though, having the weapons does not mean that they have to be used.

Guns do not kill anyone; it is the people that pull the trigger that do that.
You're right but think about money too
How much money did they give isis terrorists that they accept to fight???

We know completely that some Shia and sunny receive money from England to make conflict between Shia and sunny
And people think that this is Islam while it's not
 

interminable

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Too bad your actions are not compatible with this verse. It is called being a hypocritical. "Do as I say not as I do."



This is your opinion, nothing more



This is your opinion, nothing more



This is your opinion, nothing more. More so your God is sexist.


Amusing. Once you run out of arguments you start quoting your religious view as if it has any meaning to me. It doesn't.
I just tried to say my opinion and brought some verses as proofs
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
You're right but think about money too
How much money did they give isis terrorists that they accept to fight???

You're the expert who just knows that the West created Islamic State and is funding them. So you tell us.


We know completely that some Shia and sunny receive money from England to make conflict between Shia and sunny
And people think that this is Islam while it's not

Geez, another 'blame the West post'. How many does that make? Do you have a quota?

Joking aside, what about all the centuries before now where the West wasn't interfering in the Middle East and Muslims of differing sects were still brutally murdering one another? Is that still our fault too? Or is it the fault of those pesky not-true-Muslim leaders? I can't wait to see who you pass the buck to next.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
U know nothing about Shia mysticism
That may be true as I consider "Shia Mysticism" to be an oxymoron.
There are let's of degrees in mysticism
And you are saying this to a self-described mystic who has been immersed in the field for several decades?
Everyone according to his capacity can be closer to god
Or their fanatical delusions... Just sayin...
Unfortunately my English isn't good enough to translate them for u to make u understand that all of us are losing something precious that is GOD
Isn't that sort of like the poor moaning over the million dollars they never had?
That said, some of us are not losing out on anything and have moved well beyond primitive "god" concepts.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I just tried to say my opinion and brought some verses as proofs

You can't 'prove' or disprove an opinion. Further, quoting Quran verses is a non-starter unless we're Muslim and already believe the Quran is the word of God. Otherwise it makes no sense. Imagine I started claiming that the Olympians of Greek mythos were the true gods and began quoting Hesiod to that effect. It wouldn't get us anywhere because to you Hesiod is just another infidel engaging in shirk. In order for his religious claims to carry any weight in an argument you'd have to view them as worthy of consideration. The same is true for the Quran.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
You can't 'prove' or disprove an opinion. Further, quoting Quran verses is a non-starter unless we're Muslim and already believe the Quran is the word of God. Otherwise it makes no sense. Imagine I started claiming that the Olympians of Greek mythos were the true gods and began quoting Hesiod to that effect. It wouldn't get us anywhere because to you Hesiod is just another infidel engaging in shirk. In order for his religious claims to carry any weight in an argument you'd have to view them as worthy of consideration. The same is true for the Quran.
The pine box of Muslim understanding does not allow them to grasp this very often. They have invested so much emotional capital into their fanatical belief system that they fail to appreciate that the majority of the inhabitants on planet Earth do not share their fondness for the Qur'an and do not consider it to be authoritative in any sense of the word.
 

interminable

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Ah, that bastion of intelligence. Where religious preachers are so wise & profound they link seismic activity to women breaching their barbaric standards of modesty.
Don't reject something that u have no knowledge about that
Of the two of us, I'm not the one who believes a man was literally carried to Heaven on a flying horse.
These are examples that just gnostic can understand don't push

The best thing society can do is to teach men to curb their lusts and exercise some self-restraint. If your God-sent solution is so effective you'll have to explain to me why it is that women still get raped or assaulted because men happen to want sex with them - even if they're veiled. Or, gods forbid, they have acid thrown in their faces for rejecting male advances. This is exactly what happens when society tells men they're not responsible for their desires and resultant actions but women are. It's pure patriarchy and it's abhorrent.
Seems in every country for driver there are some rules and governments teach them to drive carefully and....

Do they all driver observe rules and laws???

Besides who told that men aren't responsible for their actions
If a rape proves man will be killed

This is exactly what I mean. You tell us that your way is better and then show is why it's actually worse. You claim to respect women but if they dare to dress as they wish with the reasonable expectation of not being harassed, ridiculed or assaulted you decide that they don't deserve respect. Has it ever occurred to you to respect women because they're human beings first & foremost, regardless of what they wear?

Yeah
Why not?

That happens when society tells them not to take responsibility for their thoughts, feelings & desires. Like in Iran and plenty of other Muslim countries.

It's not true
I have and have noticed you tend to blame the West for other things there as well. This is not surprising.
If u were aware of what US and its allies are doing in middle east u didn't say that



Uh, pardon? Could you explain what that word in Persian is, please? I can't find a decent translator.
It's a name of a government
Safavi

I agree. Americans can be really bad for ignoring international law. That doesn't make Iran and its tyrants any better. Do you think the immorality of the infidel excuses the excesses and immoral actions of your own political leaders?
Our leader is pious and everybody in my country knows that
If he weren't pious he would be removed by an expert assembly
Islamic State don't the American army because the American army isn't in these countries any more. They either pulled out or were never there to begin with.
You're not true
Iraq is my neighbor so our army is present there and knows better

America pulled most of its soldiers but not all of them and sometimes sent some groups of them to Iraq


How do you know they pretended to believe in God? Can you see into the minds of past people? Can you tell us when exactly they stopped believing in God in relation to the A-bomb? Was it when the Oppenheimer Project first began? Was it when they tested the first atomic device? Was it when the Enola Gay was in the air? Etc

Jesus told them to use that bomb???
Muhammad pbuh told Saudi Arabia to kill civilians in Yemen??

Haven't u heard of hypocrites????

Their punishments will be worse.

This idea never works in practice because the end result is these 'pious people' are given unchallengeable power which inevitably causes corruption every single time. People will always become corrupt if their actions are divorced from any real consequences. That's why theocracies never work: the powerful inevitably lose all form of accountability. Theocracies end up being repressive nightmares against anybody who doesn't toe the party line 100%. Hell, they're even repressive for those who agree because they don't have the option of freely being able to change their minds. Iran is actually a classic example of why theocracies fail:

After 1400 years we just were capable of establishing theocracy so how did u conclude them all????experience????

Pious in Islam is different from yours

  • Religious minorities are restricted to their own segregated legislature with limited powers while unelected Muslims can make laws for everybody;

  • It's a lie
    They are in our legislature and make law with others
    [*]Non-Muslim faiths can't accept converts because by-and-large they'd be Muslims converting out of Islam which is forbidden;
    Didn't understand
    [*]Women are subjected to ****-shaming, body-shaming social attitudes which lead to them being attacked for daring to refuse mens' advances. If Iranian men grew a pair, manned up and took responsibility for themselves then maybe women wouldn't have it so bad;
    A big lie
    [*]People in your country can end up in trouble if they earn the Ayatollah's ire - and nothing else. They aren't necessarily criminals; he just doesn't like them. That is pretty corrupt.
    How did u collect these lies I wonder?

    So now all of a sudden there's no link between behaviour & belief. That was awfully fast & convenient. You quoted a Quranic verse in one of your previous posts to justify why Islam is a moral belief system. The "it is as if he has killed all of mankind" verse, I believe. Clearly there is a link between belief & behaviour when it suits you.


    I don't know you're honest or not although I think you aren't
    So please consider my feelings I can't not to be honest

    Sometimes we know something is right but our ego doesn't allow us to accept the truth[/quote]
 
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interminable

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You'd think the most powerful & moral being in existence wouldn't need to resort to something as distasteful and cruel as enslaving someone...

Ah well, guess he's not so moral after all.
The person that doesn't know about the creator and his purpose of creation can say that
But a gnostic sees that every existence is powered by God and every beauty that he sees is originated from him So why should not he be slave of such existence


Yeah it's true that u aren't familiar with sublime words of prophet otherwise didn't say that
 
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interminable

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You're the expert who just knows that the West created Islamic State and is funding them. So you tell us.




Geez, another 'blame the West post'. How many does that make? Do you have a quota?

Joking aside, what about all the centuries before now where the West wasn't interfering in the Middle East and Muslims of differing sects were still brutally murdering one another? Is that still our fault too? Or is it the fault of those pesky not-true-Muslim leaders? I can't wait to see who you pass the buck to next.
I told u
Theocracy is established just 40 years ago and all of them before were kings not clergy

So it's natural that there were criminals and oppressors among them

Just a clergy upholds and tries to keep religion not those who claim that we are believer
 

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
The pine box of Muslim understanding does not allow them to grasp this very often. They have invested so much emotional capital into their fanatical belief system that they fail to appreciate that the majority of the inhabitants on planet Earth do not share their fondness for the Qur'an and do not consider it to be authoritative in any sense of the word.

Not me!
 

interminable

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Your opinion does not match the idea the verse attempts to communicate.
What about this one!!
الأحزاب
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ قُل لِّأَزْوَاجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَاءِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ يُدْنِينَ عَلَيْهِنَّ مِن جَلَابِيبِهِنَّ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَن يُعْرَفْنَ فَلَا يُؤْذَيْنَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. (59)


I told the other guy that there are lots of rules and laws about driving but how many people do observe them?

Governments spend money to teach drivers but it doesn't prevent them from being careless

Besides I told u i don't deny that we should teach people specially men to respect women and we do that but they are who they are.

So the best way is teaching and covering hijab as we do

There are some video clips that a woman wears nothing and walks on street and hears lots of nasty words but the same woman wears hijab and no one says anything

This is kind of protection not restriction

At the end we have in our traditions that in the era of promised savior women can go everywhere alone without any problems and we wait for that day
 

interminable

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You can't 'prove' or disprove an opinion. Further, quoting Quran verses is a non-starter unless we're Muslim and already believe the Quran is the word of God. Otherwise it makes no sense. Imagine I started claiming that the Olympians of Greek mythos were the true gods and began quoting Hesiod to that effect. It wouldn't get us anywhere because to you Hesiod is just another infidel engaging in shirk. In order for his religious claims to carry any weight in an argument you'd have to view them as worthy of consideration. The same is true for the Quran.
And how can we believe in a religion without disproving other religions?????

Besides I tried to show u that the best way for women in a society is to wear hijab to protect themselves and depicted the situation of society and then brought a verse of quran as something that can emphasize my claims

I am well aware that talking to the people that don't accept causality and infinite regress about Qur'an verses is useless

Some people think that we made this rule from ourselves but when I bring them these verses they convince that this is God's order and law
 

interminable

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The pine box of Muslim understanding does not allow them to grasp this very often. They have invested so much emotional capital into their fanatical belief system that they fail to appreciate that the majority of the inhabitants on planet Earth do not share their fondness for the Qur'an and do not consider it to be authoritative in any sense of the word.

emotional?
Far from it!
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
And how can we believe in a religion without disproving other religions?????

That's easy: Surah 109:1-6.


Besides I tried to show u that the best way for women in a society is to wear hijab to protect themselves and depicted the situation of society and then brought a verse of quran as something that can emphasize my claims

You didn't. You told me that your way is the best way and that you don't treat women with respect unless they conform to your absurd standards of decency. That shows is why your way is not the best.


I am well aware that talking to the people that don't accept causality and infinite regress about Qur'an verses is useless

That's not the case. People can accept both of these things and still think the Quran is mince. I personally don't but you'll find people of faiths and none who feel this way.


Some people think that we made this rule from ourselves but when I bring them these verses they convince that this is God's order and law

And other people are not convinced. What's your point?
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I told u
Theocracy is established just 40 years ago and all of them before were kings not clergy

So it's natural that there were criminals and oppressors among them

Just a clergy upholds and tries to keep religion not those who claim that we are believer

And Muslims have been interfering in one another's affairs and engaging in sectarian strife far longer than the West has been involved in the Middle East. You want to blame us for Muslims being at each other's throats but history shows that Muslims need no encouragement from the infidel whatsoever to do so.
 
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