Should Sharia Law be forbidden in Non-Muslim (Western) countries?

[YmirGF]

Please consider that I just made an example to make my points clear
We respect women like men actually human is human my mother my sister my daughter are human why do u insist that we don't consider them as a human???

You must think that in a righteous society of the pious it is more than a little weird that women would be strongly encouraged to cover themselves - to protect themselves - from other members of the same society. That is more than a bit weird thinking.

 

[icehorse]

What do u mean by OTHER MUSLIMS

It's about 4 centuries that this country continues to be Shia befor that was a sunny country

I repeatedly told that Islam is something and Muslims's action is something else

It is this constant denial that causes mistrust. Here you have found three different ways in one post to try to shift blame away from Islam itself. It's either "the West", or it's "wrong headed Muslims" or it's some other distraction.

It seems to me that any system that has been so consistently misunderstood by its own advocates for so long can't be anything like perfect.

 

[Shad]

Please consider that I just made an example to make my points clear
We respect women like men actually human is human my mother my sister my daughter are human why do u insist that we don't consider them as a human???

Your examples were flawed as you reduced women to objects other people value, men. You never consider the woman's own view nor acts, only men.

When you restrict people that are not the actors of a crime but the victims I do think you value women less than men. When you do not hold the criminal nor what leads them to become one, remember males are thieves to you, I question if your views of women is that of equals nor not. I have yet to see any consideration of them as equals rather than objects of value to others.

 

[Shad]

U overlook that in my country there is no brothel or somewhere that women can sell their bodies but in many countries there are such things

Such as? Name some? Do these nations value women as people or treat them as objects such as your own. Are these illegal due to your view of women or just your view of sex. There is a difference. You have not established to the reason why such businesses exist, you have projected your narrow view as if their reason is the same as your own or a view you disagree with.

So don't say that they controlled their passions they just do that in another place

You said men not some, a few, but a group. I refuted your claim now you backpedal but are incapable of understanding your error. Also consider nations that have made these places illegal but do not demand a dress code. Canada for example....

But since we can't have such places the best is what I said

An error is still an error.

Besides I doubt there is such place on earth just please tell me their names

Canada, USA, UK, Finland, Sweden, etc, etc. Pretty much every first world nation...

And in all probability u will say that a person that is drunken doesn't exist in my country or they can control their passions when they are drunken!!!

Strawman, nothing more. Besides you provided a single example thus made a generalization from singular examples. Yet you said males not just some, a few but as a whole.

No need to travel statistics can say everything look at India and then tell me about the number of rapes????

Try a first world nation not a developing nation with massive issues like your own.

Please think more

I have hence why you points are easy to deconstruct and refute. You should try it some time.

In every country every village every home has a guard or lock or guardian or.....

Called law enforcement not dress coder enforcers. I question the laws not the guards of it. Do you understand the difference between law enforcement and creating laws?

This is just because less then 1 recent of the population are thieves

I guess you never heard about other crimes. Maybe look these up some time.

So don't we have to protect our properties????

Why would you need protection unless there is something wrong with your society. I do not need a guard for my house as no one has robbed it nor have police prevented a robbery. I do not live in an area with high crime rates. Do you know what crime rates are?

Now what do u think?????

You still are making errors thus your points about modesty are irrelevant. You are equating that things can be stole so it is a legal obligation for people to store their items under guard. Which is ridiculous. I can lock my door if I please. At no time was I arrested for a non-existent law. Try again

U don't have to reject all of my claims

Wrong. I am not disagreeing because I have do but because I do disagree with your views and find them archaic and primitive.

Besides it's god order

Empty claim

I just told u it's reason

Your reasons are horrible, irrational and sexist. That's being nice.

 

[interminable]

You must think that in a righteous society of the pious it is more than a little weird that women would be strongly encouraged to cover themselves - to protect themselves - from other members of the same society. That is more than a bit weird thinking.

So u think my society is full of pious people????
Nope there are lots of criminals around me but we just try to keep the atmosphere like that
Piousness has lots of degrees that Noone can even imagine just gnostics know that
We just try to reduce the possibility of committing crimes we can't deter the whole

 

[interminable]

It is this constant denial that causes mistrust. Here you have found three different ways in one post to try to shift blame away from Islam itself. It's either "the West", or it's "wrong headed Muslims" or it's some other distraction.

It seems to me that any system that has been so consistently misunderstood by its own advocates for so long can't be anything like perfect.

Didn't u have some evidences to reject my claims???
In the history there were 2 governments that were Shia ال بویه and صفویه

So other ones were sunny

I don't tell that Shia kings weren't criminals some of them were oppressors but it doesn't have to do with Islam
Scholars and clergymen tried to gain power but they weren't successful until Iran's revolution
The prophet and Imam's goal was to establish a theocratic government to fulfill god's orders
This like of government can help people to god easily
And promised savior will do that entirely


Don't u think Saudi Arabia and some Arab countries that support isis by leave me US
Both kings and US are responsible for wars in Yemen and Syria
But it's easy for u to reject it easily

Quran is not distorted so we have an authentic source that is always with us
Time can't change its meaning rather those who that aren't pious define and translate it for the sake of their interests

That's why we say that a leader of a nation should be pious and free from want

 

[interminable]

Your examples were flawed as you reduced women to objects other people value, men. You never consider the woman's own view nor acts, only men.

When you restrict people that are not the actors of a crime but the victims I do think you value women less than men. When you do not hold the criminal nor what leads them to become one, remember males are thieves to you, I question if your views of women is that of equals nor not. I have yet to see any consideration of them as equals rather than objects of value to others.

This is a value of human beings although u don't want to accept that I just made an example
المائده
مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. (32)


Seems covering private parts is kind of strictness too in your opinion!!!

 

[Sakeenah]

You must think that in a righteous society of the pious it is more than a little weird that women would be strongly encouraged to cover themselves - to protect themselves - from other members of the same society. That is more than a bit weird thinking.

Muslim women do not cover for men (to keep men desire in check) that is their own responsibility. There's a verse that commands men to lower their gaze and guard their modesty.

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
( 24:30)

To us muslim women wearing the covering is an outer manifestation of an inner commitment to worshipping God and it's part of our indentity.

We believe Islam is a religion of
moderation and balance it does not expect women alone to uphold society's morality but it commands men and women to both strive to create a healthy social environment.

 

[LuisDantas]

So u think my society is full of pious people????
Nope there are lots of criminals around me but we just try to keep the atmosphere like that
Piousness has lots of degrees that Noone can even imagine just gnostics know that
We just try to reduce the possibility of committing crimes we can't deter the whole

In all honesty, it is a bit disheartening to see so much insistence on the need to believe in God.

The arguments are... frankly, they are hopeless and pointless.

It is all the more hurtful because we can see how sincere you are.

 

[Notanumber]

Of all the countries of the world where conflict is endemic, the vast majority of them are followers of Islam.

This speaks volumes about how crazy the religion is.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Of all the countries of the world where conflict is endemic, the vast majority of them are followers of Islam.

This speaks volumes about how crazy the religion is.

Out of interest, do you have a view on why the majority of the least developed countries in the world are African countries? (this is relevant)

 

[YmirGF]

So u think my society is full of pious people????
Nope there are lots of criminals around me but we just try to keep the atmosphere like that
Piousness has lots of degrees that No one can even imagine just gnostics know that
We just try to reduce the possibility of committing crimes we can't deter the whole

Muslim society is, in theory, a more spiritual society when compared to, say, strictly secular societies. If no one can imagine the degrees of piousness that supposedly abound how, exactly, would one know that the so-called "gnostics" are any more aware than anyone else? Well, all societies do what they can to minimize the "differently motivated" among us, Sharia however does take this to extremes when considering modern sensibilities.

 

[YmirGF]

Of all the countries of the world where conflict is endemic, the vast majority of them are followers of Islam.

This speaks volumes about how crazy the religion is.

It's because of the enthusiastic support for fanatical belief. Everyone is desperately trying to out-pious those around them in something resembling an Arabic version of Kabuki Theater.

 

[YmirGF]

Muslim women do not cover for men (to keep men desire in check) that is their own responsibility. There's a verse that commands men to lower their gaze and guard their modesty.

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
( 24:30)

Oddly, all too many Muslim men seem to have glossed over this verse and take great delight is accosting anything that is not properly attired (to their expectations).

To us muslim women wearing the covering is an outer manifestation of an inner commitment to worshipping God and it's part of our indentity.

I get that, Sakeenah. It simply strikes me as being profoundly superficial, regardless of the supposed inner commitment.

We believe Islam is a religion of moderation and balance it does not expect women alone to uphold society's morality but it commands men and women to both strive to create a healthy social environment.

Ideally, perhaps, but so do most other societies. Islam is certainly not special in this area and is hardly the leading force on the planet to the furthering of this goal.

 

[Shad]

This is a value of human beings although u don't want to accept that I just made an example
المائده
مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. (32)


Seems covering private parts is kind of strictness too in your opinion!!!

Irrelevant as you think women should be covered by law due to the acts of men rather than choice.Your examples compared them to objects that other people value not the person you are talking about.

We were never talking about private parts. Strawman.

Copying from the Talmud is not impressive

 

[interminable]

In all honesty, it is a bit disheartening to see so much insistence on the need to believe in God.

The arguments are... frankly, they are hopeless and pointless.

It is all the more hurtful because we can see how sincere you are.

Sir
Islam has a set of laws for daily activities and for transaction and worship has some special programs
In all probability u think that Muslims just believe in God like Christians but that's not true
God has made lots of rules in his book and by prophet so if we aren't supposed to act according to them what should we do? Make laws from ourselves against god's rules???

Besides believing in God is cornerstone of our religion. Everything should be according to his rules

 

[interminable]

Of all the countries of the world where conflict is endemic, the vast majority of them are followers of Islam.

This speaks volumes about how crazy the religion is.

Yes yes by support of US and it's weapons of course!

 

[interminable]

Muslim society is, in theory, a more spiritual society when compared to, say, strictly secular societies. If no one can imagine the degrees of piousness that supposedly abound how, exactly, would one know that the so-called "gnostics" are any more aware than anyone else? Well, all societies do what they can to minimize the "differently motivated" among us, Sharia however does take this to extremes when considering modern sensibilities.

U know nothing about Shia mysticism

There are let's of degrees in mysticism
Everyone according to his capacity can be closer to god
Unfortunately my English isn't good enough to translate them for u to make u understand that all of us are losing something precious that is GOD

 

[Notanumber]

Yes yes by support of US and it's weapons of course!

If you are going to blame anyone in the US, blame Hillary Clinton and her dealings with Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...oney-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html

Having said that though, having the weapons does not mean that they have to be used.

Guns do not kill anyone; it is the people that pull the trigger that do that.

 

[interminable]

Irrelevant as you think women should be covered by law due to the acts of men rather than choice.Your examples compared them to objects that other people value not the person themself

We were never talking about private parts. Strawman.

Copying from the Talmud is not impressive

This verse can show u the value of human beings in Quran irrespective of their gender although there are lots of traditions about women

Truth is truth and GOD is GOD
We believe in divine prophets all of them since they were slaves of god

And just i told u we should fulfill god's order and I tried to explain the reason of this law. That's it