Should there be liberty for the intolerant?

[Azrael Antilla]

"Nazi scum" also advocate many things that appeal
to Ameristanian liberals, Antifas, & socialists.
Ref...
What We Stand For – American Nazi Party
Excerpted....
We also demand public control of all banking and credit institutions as well as all utilities and all monopolies, confiscation of all conglomerate holdings, cancellation of all usurious debt, comprehensive profit sharing in all basic industries, and the institution of a national program of interest-free loans for families, farmers, and small businessmen.
:
It is our goal that the Aryan republic be totally self-sufficient in energy, and that the types of energy it employs be non-polluting. Towards these ends, we demand a phasing out of all forms of energy which befoul the environment, such as coal, petroleum, and nuclear fission. To replace them, we demand an immediate and massive program to develop new, CLEAN energy sources.

I am sure we can find agreement on other issues, particularly within the economy. However, while they spout their ethno-nationalist racist authoritarian bull****. They remain my "hated enemy". Irrespective of what is held or might be held in common.

 

[Stevicus]

Punching Nazi filth might be very satisfying, however I agree that it is still criminal, just highly understandable. Nazi scum after all advocate merciless horror. Quite different from BLM or atheist ideological narratives...

True, although I would note that we don't know specifically what this individual who happened to be wearing a Nazi armband actually advocates. We don't know if he was mentally disabled or what his story actually was. The entire incident could have been staged. Who can say for certain?

 

[Revoltingest]

I am sure we can find agreement on other issues, particularly within the economy. However, while they spout their ethno-nationalist racist authoritarian bull****. They're my "hated enemy". Irrespective of what is held or might be held in common.

If you ever meet a nazi, this hatred will impede
trying to encourage more progressive thinking.
Having some agreement is a basis for productive
discussion....call it "advocacy lite".

 

[Azrael Antilla]

If you ever meet a nazi, this hatred will impede
trying to encourage more progressive thinking.
Having some agreement is a basis for productive
discussion....call it "advocacy lite".

When I talk to them. I am very civil and objective. Emotional expression won't help. I can contain my apathy very well. My deep loathing for the far right, is a product of my compassion and fear for the safety of others. I won't give them the satisfaction of seeing me reduce myself to their base level.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

True, although I would note that we don't know specifically what this individual who happened to be wearing a Nazi armband actually advocates. We don't know if he was mentally disabled or what his story actually was. The entire incident could have been staged. Who can say for certain?

Quite. However, if you wear a swastika in public expect hostility. Expect physical confrontation, expect verbal abuse. Expect to be asked to leave various public and private places.

 

[Revoltingest]

When I talk to them. I am very civil and objective. Emotional expression won't help. I can contain my apathy very well. My deep loathing for the far right, is a product of my compassion and fear for the safety of others. I won't give them the satisfaction of seeing me reduce myself to their base level.

Looking at the American Nazi Party's platform,
they're also far left, ie, socialist & authoritarian.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Looking at the American Nazi Party's platform,
they're also far left, ie, socialist & authoritarian.

To describe Nazis as far left is the standard tactic of the alt right. Who attempt to demonise socialism by association. I assure you, when Hitler was sending people to the gas chambers, many were socialists and communists (oppositional to fascism). You probably should research fascism and Nazism. Your assertion is false and misleading. Revolting even.

 

[Revoltingest]

To describe Nazis as far left is the standard tactic of the alt right.

To deny Nazi ties to socialism is a standard tactic of the left.

No one wants to be associated with Nazis (other than Nazis).
But if one has much in common with them, then so be it.
Their desire for a command economy (very socialistic),
clean energy, clean environment, & control of speech is
very much leftish.

 

[Stevicus]

Quite. However, if you wear a swastika in public expect hostility. Expect physical confrontation, expect verbal abuse. Expect to be asked to leave various public and private places.

Well, yes. I know that, and you know that. But what about someone who is mentally ill? Their perceptions of reality may be skewed.

It's also dependent upon time, place, context, and culture.

That's one reason why I would question whether such an individual poses a "clear and present danger" and whether a physical confrontation is even worth it.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

To deny Nazi ties to socialism is a standard tactic of the left.

Discussion concluded. Thankyou for revealing your true colours to me.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Well, yes. I know that, and you know that. But what about someone who is mentally ill? Their perceptions of reality may be skewed.

It's also dependent upon time, place, context, and culture.

That's one reason why I would question whether such an individual poses a "clear and present danger" and whether a physical confrontation is even worth it.

If you're mentally ill and get beaten up for wearing a swastika then perhaps that's on those responsible for the welfare of the individual in question.

 

[Revoltingest]

Discussion concluded. Thankyou for revealing your true colours to me.

Always happy to serve.

But I begin to suspect that your post isn't entirely positive.
The left must get over the tribal belief that Nazis are solely
on the right. Using Nazis to demonize others is hypocritical,
given that the left has so much public policy in common.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

Always happy to serve.

But I begin to suspect that your post isn't entirely positive.
The left must get over the tribal belief that Nazis are solely
on the right. Using Nazis to demonize others is hypocritical,
given that the left has so much public policy in common.

Your opinion is noted. I have nothing to say about it. It's an attempt to demonise the left. That is all. I will bear it in mind if we exchange responses again.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your opinion is noted. I have nothing to say about it. It's an attempt to demonise the left.

If one has nothing to say, tis best to not immediately continue
with something to say, especially something negative.

You don't understand.
I've much in common with the left & with the right on various
things, eg, socially progressive, economic liberty, democracy,
constitutional law. Both the left & right will have things in
common with Nazis. This is why I correct lefties when they try
to demonize the right by association with Nazis. Neither should
be so demonized, especially when the left also has even more
in common with them.
Even I (a libertarian) share their party's view of protecting the
environment. (But I disagree with everything else.)

There's no shame in agreeing with one's foes about some public
policy that all agree is good. It doesn't mean that one has joined
or become the other side.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

You don't understand.
I've much in common with the left & with the right, eg,
socially progressive, economic liberty, democracy,
constitutional law. Both the left & right will have things
in common with Nazis. This is why I correct lefties when
they try to demonize the right by association with Nazis.
Neither should be so demonized, especially when the
left also has even more in common with them.
Even I (a libertarian) share their party's view of protecting
the environment. (But I disagree with everything else.)

There's no shame in agreeing with one's foes about some
public policy that's good. It doesn't mean that one has
become the other side.

What I don't have in common with any Nazi. Is racist ethno-nationalist sentiment. That is the defining feature of the ideology. The race struggle. Not economics not the environment. Savvy?

 

[Kooky]

In all seriousness....

Oh, I'm getting plenty of thoughtful discussion here from the forum members interested in actual conversations, so don't worry about me.

This was for your benefit, in case you're once again surprised that people react negatively when you once again insinuate they're either evil and/or stupid, like you've been doing with me since the very beginning.

But I'm glad you're finally honest and admit that I will never be getting any sort of equal exchange from you; not reading your comments and avoiding to respond to your usual antics will certainly save me a lot of time and energy for future conversations with people who actually have something interesting or insightful to contribute to a discussion.

 

[Revoltingest]

What I don't have in common with any Nazi. Is racist ethno-nationalist sentiment. That is the defining feature of the ideology. The race struggle. Not economics not the environment. Savvy?

They are defined by the totality of their views, not just
by what you loathe. And this totality comports very much
with the left, arguably more so than the right.
This is not demonization....just recognizing political reality.
To have something in common with Nazis is to be expected,
since they too are human. Knowing this...stressing this...is
key to steering them away from racism.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh, I'm getting plenty of thoughtful discussion here, don't worry about me.

No worries.
As long as your avatar & attitude towards me coincide,
I'll gladly respond mirthfully in kind. It's one of the many
kinds of relationships to be enjoyed here on RF.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

If one has nothing to say, tis best to not immediately continue
with something to say, especially something negative.

Precisely, I do not wish to embarrass myself by becoming hostile. As I am capable of better.

 

[Azrael Antilla]

They are defined by the totality of their views, not just
by what you loathe. And this totality comports very much
with the left, arguably more so than the right.
This is not demonization....just recognizing political reality.
To have something in common with Nazis is to be expected,
since they too are human. Knowing this...stressing this...is
key to steering them away from racism.

I absolutely do not agree with you. As for Nazis being human. Yes, legally and biologically. However they surrendered their humanity, when they subscribed to ethno-nationalism. The defining feature of fascism and Nazism. Deny all you like. I care not.