dust1n
Zindīq
It is the law, but considering %40 of tips go unreported anyways, it seems rather obvious to me there isn't much oversight or knowledge about labor laws in the industry itself.
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Should Tipping be Banned?
- Thread starter Falvlun
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It is the law, but considering %40 of tips go unreported anyways, it seems rather obvious to me there isn't much oversight or knowledge about labor laws in the industry itself.
I tip an obsene amount of money for good service. A good server cannot be paid too mich IMHO.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
There is no problem with this, but tipping should be the exception, not the rule.
That.
And the vast majority of dishwashers, bussers, and short order cooks are immigrants. At least they had been in my many years in food service. I knew a couple of restaurant owners who saved a lot of money by hiring undocumented immigrant workers, pay them slave wages, and work them from 6am to close at least 6 days out of the week. They spoke very little English, half the time they didn't speak any English.
It's how I learned how to speak conversational Spanish.
dust1n
Zindīq
That.
And the vast majority of dishwashers, bussers, and short order cooks are immigrants. At least they had been in my many years in food service. I knew a couple of restaurant owners who saved a lot of money by hiring undocumented immigrant workers, pay them slave wages, and work them from 6am to close at least 6 days out of the week. They spoke very little English, half the time they didn't speak any English.
It's how I learned how to speak conversational Spanish.
Or kids, who don't know labor practices.
It's simply astonishing to me how restaurants blatantly ignore OSHA laws, workers know nothing about them and don't know how to address them, and all the time the owner of a restaurant generally does absolutely nothing for creating a better environment for anyone, yet gets every imaginable penny from sales.
And even though it's the owner who is responsible for everything happening in his/her restaurant, somehow, the responsibility falls on the waiter, who has nothing to do with the majority of service one gets a restaurant. Waiters have nothing to do with how good the food is, or how fast it gets out, or whether it was even cooked right, or how noisy the music is, or how relaxing the ambiance is, and all the other things that much more so effect the perceptions of "service" then how immediately attentive a single individual can be for multiple people's king-like entitlement to the best possible, most luxuriously affordable experience, one can muster for themselves or family.
Volodya
Member
Yep, tipping is a total scam - because the customers end up paying the wages.
Minimum wage should be used instead, and all tips pooled for all staff/business EXTRA to the wage.
I.S.L.A.M617
Illuminatus
I make around 40k a year working for tips, which isn't bad for a single man under 25. I'm all for tipping if it pays my bills. Hell, I make more than a Boston police officer.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Tipping is not a LAW! Tipping is just DUH... what decent humans do for services rendered!
Don't ask/expect for the service if you have a problem tipping.
Don't ask/expect for the service if you have a problem tipping.
In Papua New Guinea, people tip the police ALL the time.
At least...I assume that's why they hand cash over.
:sarcastic
I.S.L.A.M617
Illuminatus
Minimum wage for a tipped employee is $2.63 an hour in Massachusetts where I live. I doubt it's much higher in other states. Remember that next time you think we're getting a good salary. Most of the time my hourly doesn't even come close to covering my taxes and I owe at the end of the year. People like you get spit in their food on return visits. Don't think we forget faces...
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
No, paying is what we do for services rendered. Tipping was originally a optional bonus for exceptional service. Nobody is objecting to the optional bonus, the objection is the way "tips" have been merged as part of the core payment for the service, which in some cases does make it law (if the menu mentions a 20% "service charge", it's is likely to be as legally mandated as the stated price of the individual dishes).
I don't have any problem paying for the service I receive and I have no objection to tipping on top of that for exceptional service. My objections are that "service charges" mask the true cost of the service and that where tips actually go is so unclear and inconsistent as to encourage fraudulent practices (such as tax evasion and circumventing minimum wage laws).
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Tipping in the UK is a mess.
Some restaurants make a cover charge.
some let you write in an amount on the slip
some expect tips
some expect all of those things.
some do ban tipping.
Tips are taxed.
Some people tip some don't
Most resent it as a form of blackmail.
I think it should be banned except in the case of an exceptional service by a member of staff.
The cost of running a restaurant and paying staff should be covered by the costs shown on the menu. That would at least be transparent and honest.
Tipping should not be a make weight for underpaying staff.
Some restaurants make a cover charge.
some let you write in an amount on the slip
some expect tips
some expect all of those things.
some do ban tipping.
Tips are taxed.
Some people tip some don't
Most resent it as a form of blackmail.
I think it should be banned except in the case of an exceptional service by a member of staff.
The cost of running a restaurant and paying staff should be covered by the costs shown on the menu. That would at least be transparent and honest.
Tipping should not be a make weight for underpaying staff.
Volodya
Member
why blame the customer, surely you should be taking up your low wage issues with the bosses?
OK, lets do things your way. Where will these extra wages come from? If I was running a food establishment and wanted to stay open, my wage costs must be within a certain percentage.
If I paid my help more, I would have to charge more for the food. That would increase my "to go" orders prices. People who just want food should not pay as much as someone who spends an hour being waited on hand and foot.
Another issue is, if my help did not have to bust their chops for tips, my service would decline as there would be no incentive for on and beyond service any more.
To bottom line things, the way you want things to work, we would all pay more for less.
Tipping should not be a make weight because people's livelihoods should not depend on the generosity of the customers when they are in employment. The whole point of a job is that you get guaranteed payment for the work that you do, tips are not guaranteed and they fluctuate in value as well. It should only be used to supplement decent enough wages (a liveable minimum wage).
Now there is an oxymoron.
Apex
Somewhere Around Nothing
This is what should be banned. While I know all servers must earn minimum wage after they include tips, or their employer must make up the difference, they should just make minimum wage by default like the rest of us who have worked in the service industry. This would help take away the perception that tipping is expected and move it more towards only tipping those who truly deserve it.
I don't get it.Now there is an oxymoron.