Should Trump Resign?

[BSM1]

No, you are dead wrong. Obama was not a bully, he was an excellent speaker, and he was a professional. He also didn't say stupid things all the time getting himself into trouble.

Oh, really....

Obama: Cambridge police acted 'stupidly'

 

[Revoltingest]

Obama was not a bully, he was an excellent speaker, and he was a professional.

He was actually a poor speaker without a teleprompter telling him what to say.

It's funny (in a painful way) to watch, but I don't think it diminishes his presidency.
But let's at least be real.....no false praise.

 

[BSM1]

That is the true probiem far as I can tell. Not inadequate candidates - there are always a fair variety of candidates available - but, sad as it is to admit, voter immaturity.

At this point the problem is not that the GOP candidates are bad, but rather that there are people who still vote for them.

So, basically, you're saying almost half of the voters in the last election were idiots? Well, seems they were smart enough to put their candidate in the White House.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

You have to admit he has done a horrible job the past month. That is undeniable.

And, with the media. He was brutally mean and bullying with everyone during the election. Now that people are ganging up on him, he's having a mental breakdown. He's a narcissist that can't understand why everyone hates him now.

I bet in less than a year he will resign. One can only hope. He certainly is the most embarrassing president we've had in my generation. Again, that is undeniable. And, it can't be blamed on the media, as he is doing everything on his own to his own detriment.

So basically your epic, multithread grudge with Trump is because he's a big meanyhead rather than the actual results of his actions..which seem so far to be an upturned economy and the USA world image moving away from the outright cuckery Obama facilitated.

Interesting.

 

[leibowde84]

I keep wondering when the people on this forum will realize there are really only two parties -- THEM and US, and Trump was on team "US" and still is. He ran Republican because he knows the third party can't win, so does that make him the enemy or just smart? No, actually he dabbled in politics before with the Reform party and knew from experience that the third party candidate would at best assure that the Democrats would win. The only way to prevent this was to run in direct opposition, and keep third parties out of the conversation. Did he do that? Yes, he did.

Ultimately, the right man won it because winning is the only metric that matters no one cares what the losers think.

What should he resign for?

Comey? The Dems think he's an untrustworthy turd as well. They'd have kicked him out even if Hillary won.

Russia? What you mean Seth Rich? The guy that, in all likelihood, leaked DNC info to Wikileaks and was murdered in some weird deep state hit job.

Flynn? What relevance would further efforts in this direction have? Nearly everything that needs to be known... is...

At the end of the day, if you don't like him it's fine with me. I'm really indifferent, but that's because I only care what the numbers are.

Trump is only on team Trump. He doesn't care about us or anyone else. He is the most narcissistic, bullying president we've ever seen. And, he is extremely dumb too, which leads him to make this mistakes on a daily basis. If he could stop making all of these mistakes and keep his mouth shut, it might be a bit better, but he can't even get attention to his agenda because he keeps screwing up.

Mostly it is the fact that his white house is in disarray. He can't manage it properly. He contradicts his surrogates at every corner. He lies a lot and is stupid enough to get caught for it. And his tweets only hurt himself. Soon his supporters will come to their senses and ditch him. Hopefully he ends up in jail.

 

[leibowde84]

Like how you can keep your doctor, ACA needs to pass before you can know what is in it or the Iranian deal. Trump's twitter is far worse than those right...

Far worse, yes. The first was probably not a lie, just a stupid mistake. The second was Pelosi not Obama. The third was not a bad thing, imho. Iran still doesn't have a nuclear weapon.

 

[leibowde84]

Oh, really....

Obama: Cambridge police acted 'stupidly'

lol ... THAT is the best you've got. That was a non-story. Lasted all of 15 minutes in the news. Trump is making national headlines for his stupidity on a daily basis now.

 

[leibowde84]

He was actually a poor speaker without a teleprompter telling him what to say.

It's funny (in a painful way) to watch, but I don't think it diminishes his presidency.
But let's at least be real.....no false praise.

He wasn't a bad speaker without a teleprompter. At least, not nearly at the level of Trump. He didn't go on Trump's streams of consciousness that don't make any sense. And, he was a lot more careful with his words.

But, the real question is, WHY DOESN'T TRUMP ALWAYS USE A TELEPROMPTER?

 

[leibowde84]

So basically your epic, multithread grudge with Trump is because he's a big meanyhead rather than the actual results of his actions..which seem so far to be an upturned economy and the USA world image moving away from the outright cuckery Obama facilitated.

Interesting.

This is certainly false. Trump has embarrassed our country on many occasions in just his first 100 days. It is far worse than when Obama left office. I think he is the most embarrassing president we've ever had. And, he just started. And, any economic upturn isn't because of Trump. It's far too early for him to take any credit other than the market expecting him to do something in the future. He hasn't really done anything yet.

 

[LuisDantas]

So, basically, you're saying almost half of the voters in the last election were idiots?

They do show a worrying carelessness on handling their power of vote.

Your choice of qualifier is noted.

Well, seems they were smart enough to put their candidate in the White House.

My point exactly, thanks for the ratification.

 

[Revoltingest]

He wasn't a bad speaker without a teleprompter. At least, not nearly at the level of Trump. He didn't go on Trump's streams of consciousness that don't make any sense. And, he was a lot more careful with his words.

But, the real question is, WHY DOESN'T TRUMP ALWAYS USE A TELEPROMPTER?

I think Trump is a poor public speaker too.
But to say Obama is not poor....that's just denial of of of of of of of of of of of of reality.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So, basically, you're saying almost half of the voters in the last election were idiots? Well, seems they were smart enough to put their candidate in the White House.

No, but in a political environment poisoned by Putin and Comey, a basket of deplorables proved to be more than enough to tip the scales.

 

[leibowde84]

I think Trump is a poor public speaker too.
But to say Obama is not poor....that's just denial of of of of of of of of of of of of reality.

That's my point. Repeating words and speaking slowly is WAAAAAAY better than just random words, repeating "beautiful" and "tremendous" and "great", or streams of consciousness that don't make sense. Obama was worlds beyond Trump even on his worst day.

 

[Mindmaster]

Trump is only on team Trump. He doesn't care about us or anyone else. He is the most narcissistic, bullying president we've ever seen. And, he is extremely dumb too, which leads him to make this mistakes on a daily basis. If he could stop making all of these mistakes and keep his mouth shut, it might be a bit better, but he can't even get attention to his agenda because he keeps screwing up.

This notion doesn't make sense to me at all, if Trump only acted in Trump's interest his interest would be to stay home and count his money. Even if what he is doing is for his children, grandchildren and heirs, it's still selfless. What could he gain? Ask yourself that, and then do the math - the answer is nothing. He has all the money he needs, he's got all the fame he needs, and he certainly has the woman he needs. I think his motivation is simple: he thinks the country is so screwed up that his children will suffer if he doesn't intervene. Well, most fathers who have their heads on straight have these worries -- he just was in the position to do something about it.

Mostly it is the fact that his white house is in disarray. He can't manage it properly. He contradicts his surrogates at every corner. He lies a lot and is stupid enough to get caught for it. And his tweets only hurt himself. Soon his supporters will come to their senses and ditch him. Hopefully he ends up in jail.

I think this is false, but you will always have people who don't get with the program. Is it their fault that they won't do their jobs and work with the new boss or his? If I had a single employee do anything they were doing I wouldn't be working with them I'd be giving them their pink slips. Those people are there to do a job, and their personal feelings are irrelevant - their job is to make sure the President's goals are accomplished. If they cannot do that, for whatever reason, they are the one's in the wrong. They know that is their job, and they agreed to it. Sadly, no matter what, Trump is right on this.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's my point. Repeating words and speaking slowly is WAAAAAAY better than just random words, repeating "beautiful" and "tremendous" and "great", or streams of consciousness that don't make sense. Obama was worlds beyond Trump even on his worst day.

Slowly?
No.
Obama suffers from rapid fire stuttering & halting word searchery when speaking extemporaneously.

I don't want to make too big a deal of this.
It doesn't matter if he has a minor speech impediment.
But don't pretend he has the silver tongue of a Ronnie Raygun or Bill Clinton.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

This is certainly false. Trump has embarrassed our country on many occasions in just his first 100 days. It is far worse than when Obama left office. I think he is the most embarrassing president we've ever had. And, he just started. And, any economic upturn isn't because of Trump. It's far too early for him to take any credit other than the market expecting him to do something in the future. He hasn't really done anything yet.

QED

 

[Stevicus]

Some of us noticed.
But when pointing it out, the left responds with the cry of "False equivalency!".
Apparently it's wrong to recognize that both sides use the same tools.
Why? Because they believe their side too virtuous for comparison.

I tend to think that "false equivalence" is in the eye of the beholder.

Still, it would seem to me that those who favor a democratic system of government should be rightly concerned if much of the voting public is susceptible and vulnerable to manipulative tactics, propaganda, and fake news. I think the reason this has been rarely brought up in the past is due to the fact that establishment-level politicians have gained and benefited by this situation. Now, they're crying sour grapes because someone beat them at their own sick game.

I think it's written somewhere that "he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." The same could be said regarding establishment-level politicians who have thrived and built their political careers on propaganda and manipulation. If you live by BS, then you die by BS. It's that simple. Apart from everything else, it creates weaknesses in the system which someone has been able to exploit.

 

[Underhill]

Just like before the election then?

I don't really like or dislike Trump either way, I like a record rising stock market, the busiest year I've had in business in 8 years, some real hope and change, hiring, spending, investing- the polar opposite of what we saw 8 years ago.

Like most, I'm not too bothered about how he styles his hair or how popular he is in Hollywood or snl if anyone still watches that... It's easy to forget how unfashionable Reagan was in pop culture not so long ago, before he reinvigorated the country and re-defined conservatism.

So you think all that is due to Trump? In the first hundred days?

Obama was dealing with a recession that started a year before he took office.

It's not exactly a reasonable comparison.

 

[Underhill]

He was actually a poor speaker without a teleprompter telling him what to say.

It's funny (in a painful way) to watch, but I don't think it diminishes his presidency.
But let's at least be real.....no false praise.

I've seen you post that before. It's garbage. There isn't a person in the world that does not have a bad day, or even a few bad days.

Compared to his predecessor, successor or anyone else really, Obama was an excellent speaker.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've seen you post that before. It's garbage. There isn't a person in the world that does not have a bad day, or even a few bad days.

Bad day = no teleprompter

Compared to his predecessor, successor or anyone else really, Obama was an excellent speaker.

With a teleprompter, he was indeed excellent....in the sense of inspiring
the choir with everything from hope & change to duplicity & demonization.
But without it, he wa wa wa wa wa wa wa was a tongue tied mess.

My apologies to anyone who stutters.
I gotta stop doing this.