Should Trump Resign?

[Shad]

Far worse, yes. The first was probably not a lie, just a stupid mistake.

It was lie and a stupid one but he was pandering to the drones. Amusing how Trumps campaign rhetoric is treated as completely 100% true while Obama as the sitting President openly states a falsehood and you fall over yourself in making excuses for him

The second was Pelosi not Obama.

I know but it was Obama's ACA not her ACA. He could of released information but didn't. He still kept the population in the dark about his "reform"

The third was not a bad thing, imho. Iran still doesn't have a nuclear weapon.

Obama set the stage for them to develop one far faster than expected. He released 3 criminals that his own DOJ charged was against National Security, drop 14 charges on fugitives charge with corporate and military espionage. Even the left media is calling it a bad idea.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think Pence in a lot of ways would make a worse president than Trump.

Worse, but likely with less volatility and uncertainty. Two things we could do without at the present time.

 

[Stevicus]

Bad day = no teleprompter

With a teleprompter, he was indeed excellent....in the sense of inspiring
the choir with everything from hope & change to duplicity & demonization.
But without it, he wa wa wa wa wa wa wa was a tongue tied mess.

My apologies to anyone who stutters.
I gotta stop doing this.

I think Thomas Jefferson stuttered.

But I'm not sure if Americans care that much about how a politician speaks as much as how they look. People who saw the Kennedy-Nixon debates on TV thought that Kennedy won, while those who only listened to it on radio thought that Nixon won.

I thought Nixon was a pretty good speaker. He had a deep, commanding, and somewhat forceful sounding voice.

 

[BSM1]

I think Thomas Jefferson stuttered.

But I'm not sure if Americans care that much about how a politician speaks as much as how they look. People who saw the Kennedy-Nixon debates on TV thought that Kennedy won, while those who only listened to it on radio thought that Nixon won.

I thought Nixon was a pretty good speaker. He had a deep, commanding, and somewhat forceful sounding voice.

How about Reagan? He was known as the Great Communicator.

 

[Underhill]

Bad day = no teleprompter

So you claim, but I have seen many impromtu remarks from Obama where he was smooth as silk.

What that video shows is a guy struggling to come up with a way to describe an incredibly controversial subject. I would prefer that to mouthing off about whatever comes to mind any day of the week.

With a teleprompter, he was indeed excellent....in the sense of inspiring
the choir with everything from hope & change to duplicity & demonization.
But without it, he wa wa wa wa wa wa wa was a tongue tied mess.

My apologies to anyone who stutters.
I gotta stop doing this.

As you just told me in the other discussion. One example does not prove your position.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think Thomas Jefferson stuttered.

But I'm not sure if Americans care that much about how a politician speaks as much as how they look. People who saw the Kennedy-Nixon debates on TV thought that Kennedy won, while those who only listened to it on radio thought that Nixon won.

I thought Nixon was a pretty good speaker. He had a deep, commanding, and somewhat forceful sounding voice.

For many people, perhaps even most, it's about how the feel about the person.
This takes a back seat to agenda, which is only brought up to support the
one liked, & criticize the one hated. It's why we often see a double standard,
eg, military experience, age v youth, wealth v 98%.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you claim, but I have seen many impromtu remarks from Obama where he was smooth as silk.

What that video shows is a guy struggling to come up with a way to describe an incredibly controversial subject. I would prefer that to mouthing off about whatever comes to mind any day of the week.



As you just told me in the other discussion. One example does not prove your position.

There are other examples.
But would it make any difference if I presented them?
We should just agree to disagree about Obama's 'eloquence'.
But at least we can agree to agree about Trump's verbal stumbling.

 

[leibowde84]

QED

You are right. Trump has yet to demonstrate any presidential qualities and his "accomplishments" have yet to pan out anything significant.

 

[leibowde84]

It was lie and a stupid one but he was pandering to the drones. Amusing how Trumps campaign rhetoric is treated as completely 100% true while Obama as the sitting President openly states a falsehood and you fall over yourself in making excuses for him

No excuses. What he said was not true, but that doesn't mean he knew, at the time, that it wouldn't pan out. Intent to deceive just isn't there, imho. But, that is just my opinion.

I know but it was Obama's ACA not her ACA. He could of released information but didn't. He still kept the population in the dark about his "reform"

He released all of the information. Pelosi was saying that it wasn't necessary to read all of the released information. And, I did not agree with her on that. It certainly bit her in the a$$ later on.

Obama set the stage for them to develop one far faster than expected. He released 3 criminals that his own DOJ charged was against National Security, drop 14 charges on fugitives charge with corporate and military espionage. Even the left media is calling it a bad idea.

I would agree that at least some of these weren't a good idea. But, I don't have extensive knowledge on this subject, so I would have to do some further research to really make a responsible judgment.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

You are right. Trump has yet to demonstrate any presidential qualities and his "accomplishments" have yet to pan out anything significant.

That's not what qed means. It means your last reply seems to confirm rather than refute my assertion.

The more you know...

 

[Shad]

No excuses. What he said was not true, but that doesn't mean he knew, at the time, that it wouldn't pan out.

If he didn't know the result he shouldn't of made an absolute statement about the results he didn't know of. It was stupid.

Intent to deceive just isn't there, imho.

If he didn't know the result of his actions yet made a statement about those result he is still a liar. More so a liar that know the data couldn't support his own statement. It is called BS

But, that is just my opinion.

That is fine with me

He released all of the information.

After it was passed.

Pelosi was saying that it wasn't necessary to read all of the released information. And, I did not agree with her on that. It certainly bit her in the a$$ later on.

And it damaged Obama as she was a primary advocate of his plan.

I would agree that at least some of these weren't a good idea. But, I don't have extensive knowledge on this subject, so I would have to do some further research to really make a responsible judgment.

Go look at the deal and you will see why I and others arebugged by what happened.

 

[leibowde84]

That's not what qed means. It means your last reply seems to confirm rather than refute my assertion.

The more you know...

how so?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

how so?

So basically your epic, multithread grudge with Trump is because he's a big meanyhead rather than the actual results

This is certainly false. Trump has embarrassed our country on many occasions in just his first 100 days. It is far worse than when Obama left office. I think he is the most embarrassing president we've ever had. And, he just started.

 

[leibowde84]

My problem with Trump is that he is unqualified, unprofessional, ignorant, and unwilling to actually do the work necessary to be informed as a leader. He also seems to have a problem with keeping his cool, he bullies to get his way, uses personal insults about looks against opponents ... and the list goes on.

 

[leibowde84]

As of yet, he has no actual results.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As of yet, he has no actual results.

That's pretty much why Trump didn't worry me. Not until Pence. Trump is facing the obstructionism I knew he would. However, I didn't foresee Trump being stupid enough to throw himself this dangerously close to impeachment so quickly. President Pence will not face such obstructionism.

 

[Nietzsche]

However, I didn't foresee Trump being stupid enough to through himself this dangerously close to impeachment so quickly. President Pence will not face such obstructionism.

Nobody ever went broke underestimating American intelligence.

 

[Stevicus]

How about Reagan? He was known as the Great Communicator.

Reagan was slightly different, with more of a slight Western cowboy drawl and a kind of gravely sounding voice. But he did have a convincing way of speaking which a lot of people could understand and relate to. He certainly had a more likable personality than Nixon did.

But Reagan did make a lot of gaffes - and there were some times when he came off as somewhat confused.