Show me the human...

[Erebus]

At one point she simply said "show me the human and then we'll talk about rights".
I couldn't argue any further because I think shes right. Someone who abuses a child doesn't deserve being considered a human.

It's always struck me as odd that people hold "human" to be some form of title which one can attain or lose. Every rapist, pedophile, torturer, philanthropist, hero and murderer is human. As a species we're capable of a huge spectrum of behaviour, from the benign to the malevolent. The question isn't "who deserves to be considered human?" It's "what does a human deserve?"

 

[SkylarHunter]

I am kind of in two minds about this topic. On one hand if anyone tried to hurt my siblings or kids in such a way I would take extreme action...but I also understand that it is a sickness, one that is extremely difficult to deal with.

Not all pedos touch children, I consider that perhaps there could be some kind of community they could be moved to away from children and websites without needing to kill them.

That was my conflict as well. There are people who are attracted to children but they know it's wrong and they don't act on it. Many of them ask for help and make it through life without causing harm to children even if deep down they wanted to.
Others just don't care and go on kidnapping, raping and killing kids because they want to. The two might be equally sick in their minds but the difference is what they chose to do about it.

 

[Thana]

Me and a friend were having a discussion about this image we saw on facebook.
Our conversation evolved into the death penalty for pedophiles subject. Since we wanted to see the pros and cons of killing someone for crimes against children, mostly the ones of sexual nature, for argument sake she took the death penalty side and I took the human rights side.
At one point she simply said "show me the human and then we'll talk about rights".
I couldn't argue any further because I think shes right. Someone who abuses a child doesn't deserve being considered a human.
I know this is a very controversial subject with very strong arguments on both sides. What I would like to know is the opinion of all of you who have children, nephews, little cousins or any other child you love. Do you agree with the death penalty for pedophiles in case of confirmed guild beyond any doubt?

One's humanity doesn't hinge on their morality or lackthereof, A human is a human is a human.
And I've never felt that the Death pentalty has any value whatsoever, Simply an outdated and barbaric method that has been proven to have no effect whatsoever on lowering crime. As to my neices, I couldn't bear the thought of anyone hurting them that way, But I wouldn't wish death on them. That is not my place, I don't get to decide who lives and who dies and I don't think anyone has the right to decide that regardless of their crimes. And what if they can be rehabilitated? What if they can become contributing members to society? They're not sociopaths, Atleast not generally, So why should they be killed if they can be helped instead?

 

[Estro Felino]

. And what if they can be rehabilitated? What if they can become contributing members to society? They're not sociopaths, Atleast not generally, So why should they be killed if they can be helped instead?

They are not sociopaths? So they are just perverts, right? That makes them more and more despicable beings.
Please, let's be serious.This scene makes me puke. All pedophiles belong to jail

 

[Draka]

I understand you're thinking, D, but this would make us little better than the criminals we encourage. I have no problem executing child rapist and molesters because 1. it's justice befitting the crime, and 2. I would never want this sub-human ever getting chance to terrorize another child.

I have several relatives in prison, and I can assure you this is no longer true. Child molestors are rarely bothered in jail anymore.

I was simply going by what I have been told by those I have known whom have been in prison. Perhaps it is a prison by prison or area thing as to how some people react. Also, it's not really "encouraging" actions from anyone, just recognizing that people "on the inside" are just as offput by the idea of those sexually abusing children as people on the outside.

Fact of the matter is, I'm just not a proponent of the Death Penalty. Never have been. We can't "be choosy" about who gets it. It can't be something we feel justified in using because of the heinousness of a crime. For so many reasons the Death Penalty is a messed up and wrong thing, but the most obvious one is simply because innocents slip through the system and are executed as long as it is in place. So as much as it might pain us to know what someone has done, as much as we might want to rip their spine out through their teeth, the Death Penalty isn't the answer.

 

[BSM1]

What if the convvicted molester was raped by his parents for most of his childhood and has developmental disabilities?

You think this makes it okay for this person to rape and maybe kill an eight year old boy or girl?

 

[Wirey]

I was simply going by what I have been told by those I have known whom have been in prison. Perhaps it is a prison by prison or area thing as to how some people react. Also, it's not really "encouraging" actions from anyone, just recognizing that people "on the inside" are just as offput by the idea of those sexually abusing children as people on the outside.

It used to be true, but the plain fact of the matter is that now, thanks to the drug problems, most of the people in prison see children as a potential source of profit. The protect a kid impulse that drives most of us is simply missing. I, too, think the death penalty is a mistake. But the dad in me ignores that when it comes to people who harm children.

 

[BSM1]

I was simply going by what I have been told by those I have known whom have been in prison. Perhaps it is a prison by prison or area thing as to how some people react. Also, it's not really "encouraging" actions from anyone, just recognizing that people "on the inside" are just as offput by the idea of those sexually abusing children as people on the outside.

Fact of the matter is, I'm just not a proponent of the Death Penalty. Never have been. We can't "be choosy" about who gets it. It can't be something we feel justified in using because of the heinousness of a crime. For so many reasons the Death Penalty is a messed up and wrong thing, but the most obvious one is simply because innocents slip through the system and are executed as long as it is in place. So as much as it might pain us to know what someone has done, as much as we might want to rip their spine out through their teeth, the Death Penalty isn't the answer.

Not trying to argue but you don't care for the death penalty as justified punishment but you do advocate inflicting pain and torment to a perp for as long as he lives?

 

[Draka]

Not trying to argue but you don't care for the death penalty as justified punishment but you do advocate inflicting pain and torment to a perp for as long as he lives?

I was just saying that, according to what I've been told at least, that they have a pretty rough time of it in gen pop. So, to those people who seemed to think they deserved some kind of "extra" punishment beyond just "going to prison", I was pointing out that it wasn't just like they had a leisurely time in there. At least from what I've heard.

Personally, whether they do or they don't, I'd prefer longer sentences, more rehab time, and stricter limitations if and when they are released back into society. I live in a duplex, one wall away from my neighbor, a door from my place enters a basement access area just as theirs do. A couple years ago I was quite shocked and disturbed to learn that the guy living in the other side was a convicted child molester. Three counts of sexual abuse upon a minor female my daughter's age. Yeah, to say I wasn't comfortable was an understatement. He moved out shortly after that.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's a start. Of course we're discussing convicted child molesters.

So you think that, for example, a person who performs oral sex on an 8 year old should be executed? That's pretty overboard and ridiculous.. Now if they tied them up, beat them, tortured them and murdered them, I could understand the death penalty for that.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Honestly...if someone confessed me they fancy children, I would be so disgusted that I would never be in the same room as them.

Answer me sincerely: are there normal people who are able to be empathic with a person who is sexually aroused by kids?

I can't even imagine how dirty their mind is....these people make me puke. It doesn't matter if they never touch a child

Oh, grow up.

 

[BSM1]

So you think that, for example, a person who performs oral sex on an 8 year old should be executed?


Short answer, yes.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Short answer, yes.

Thanks for letting us know how irrational and ridiculous your opinion is on this.

 

[SkylarHunter]

So you think that, for example, a person who performs oral sex on an 8 year old should be executed?

If it was my kid I would want to at least beat him to a pulp and break all of his bones. I would consider cutting his tong and his dick right after, but I don't think I would kill him. If all the guy did was oral sex, death would be too extreme.

 

[Wirey]

Thanks for letting us know how irrational and ridiculous your opinion is on this.

From this I deduce that you don't have children. Because if you did, you'd feel very differently.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If it was my kid I would want to at least beat him to a pulp and break all of his bones. I would consider cutting his tong and his dick right after, but I don't think I would kill him. If all the guy did was oral sex, death would be too extreme.

We already know you're bloodthirsty and have a lust for violence. You shouldn't assume that the person in question would be a male, either.

From this I deduce that you don't have children. Because if you did, you'd feel very differently.

Of course I don't have children. Maybe that's why I can think rationally about this subject instead of being overwhelmed by chemicals. A lot of you in this thread come off as bonkers.

 

[Wirey]

Yes, the people suggesting protecting children from child predators certainly come off as bonkers.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, the people suggesting protecting children from child predators certainly come off as bonkers.

No, it's not that. It's the call for blood for actions that do not rationally seem to merit it, as in the example I brought up above.

 

[Buttercup]

So you think that, for example, a person who performs oral sex on an 8 year old should be executed? That's pretty overboard and ridiculous.. Now if they tied them up, beat them, tortured them and murdered them, I could understand the death penalty for that.

I'm curious what you think is an appropriate disciplinary action for the adult in the case of the sex act with the 8 year old in the above scenario?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm curious what you think is an appropriate disciplinary action for the adult in the case of the sex act with the 8 year old in the above scenario?

Um, not the death penalty. There's jail and rehabilitation through mental health support.

The responses to the scenario I brought up are prime examples of the sort of irrational extremes people jump to when it comes to these sorts of topics. It's like, "just kill them in a brutal manner! Make them suffer!". Ignoring that there's other choices which don't involve people dying.