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[Estro Felino]

If it was my kid I would want to at least beat him to a pulp and break all of his bones. I would consider cutting his tong and his dick right after, but I don't think I would kill him. If all the guy did was oral sex, death would be too extreme.

Maybe people are not aware enough of the hideous things we are talking about.
A mature man who does those things to a 8 years old child....is not a human being.
I'm disgusted and very sad... A 8 year old boy doesn't have a sexual identity yet. It's like killing him

 

[oldbadger]

Do you agree with the death penalty for pedophiles in case of confirmed guild beyond any doubt?

Easy....... Never.
You tell me..... just pass sentence upon this recent convict for me.

A school teacher encouraged a pupil of 15 yrs to come to their home for a sexual relationship. Had sex many times. Want to kill the teacher? It's a yes or no question, really.

Oh, in this case,..... the teacher-paederast is a woman. Now wait for people to say ,'We meant 7 year olds' or whatever.

 

[Estro Felino]

Easy....... Never.
You tell me..... just pass sentence upon this recent convict for me.

A school teacher encouraged a pupil of 15 yrs to come to their home for a sexual relationship. Had sex many times. Want to kill the teacher? It's a yes or no question, really.

Oh, in this case,..... the teacher-paederast is a woman. Now wait for people to say ,'We meant 7 year olds' or whatever.

well...I am against death penalty too.
I don't know if you have ever watched a movie called "Notes on a scandal" in which a 15 year old boy falls in love with his teacher and stalks her, until he convinces her to have sex with him.

In this case the teacher is not to blame. The child was not only consenting, but he was the one who stalked her and seduced her.
the teacher in question was 37 years old.

 

[SkylarHunter]

Easy....... Never.
You tell me..... just pass sentence upon this recent convict for me.

A school teacher encouraged a pupil of 15 yrs to come to their home for a sexual relationship. Had sex many times. Want to kill the teacher? It's a yes or no question, really.

Oh, in this case,..... the teacher-paederast is a woman. Now wait for people to say ,'We m eant 7 year olds' or whatever.

I will always defend that the punishment should match the crime.

If the teacher invited a 15 y.o. (didn't kidnap) and he went and had sex with her (no rape occurred) she should still be punished for influencing him into that situation since he is a minor. A 15 y.o. is someone who has already gained some freedoms that a little child doesn't have but at the same time he's not old enough yet to cross some lines so I guess in a case like that a psychological evaluation of both the teacher and the student would be necessary.
I would remove her from any teaching position and maybe give her some jail time depending on specific circumstances but no, in that case death penalty wouldn't make any sense.

 

[oldbadger]

I will always defend that the punishment should match the crime.

If the teacher invited a 15 y.o. (didn't kidnap) and he went and had sex with her (no rape occurred) she should still be punished for influencing him into that situation since he is a minor. A 15 y.o. is someone who has already gained some freedoms that a little child doesn't have but at the same time he's not old enough yet to cross some lines so I guess in a case like that a psychological evaluation of both the teacher and the student would be necessary.
I would remove her from any teaching position and maybe give her some jail time depending on specific circumstances but no, in that case death penalty wouldn't make any sense.

There you go.
The question 'should paederasts be killed' is surely answered.? Every case is different from every other, and we don't know whether the convict will be a different person after therapy, medication, time, prison.... etc.
If we will kill paederasts, should we not also have to kill those who make false witness against honest people (as paederasts) in attempt to see them killed.. = attempted murder? WE get a few of those in the UK......

 

[oldbadger]

well...I am against death penalty too.
I don't know if you have ever watched a movie called "Notes on a scandal" in which a 15 year old boy falls in love with his teacher and stalks her, until he convinces her to have sex with him.

In this case the teacher is not to blame. The child was not only consenting, but he was the one who stalked her and seduced her.
the teacher in question was 37 years old.

Yes! We have the dvd in our collection.

On another point.... In the mid 80's a neighbour offered to take my two children to the pier's skating rink so that they would not have to walk along the sea-wall to get there. I said ,'No thankyou'. He said ,'They're in danger walking along the sea-wall! I will take them!'; I said, 'No thankyou. They will walk together to skating on the sea-wall'. He made a big self-righteous fuss about me being a crap parent.
6 months later he was convicted of carrying out sexual assaults on two small children in the nearby woods, on the way to some children's event. He was saved from prison because his disabled elderly mother relied upon him for everything. But he was shunned for the rest of his life by everybody and he became a recluse, a prisoner in his own home. Enough, really.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes! We have the dvd in our collection.

On another point.... In the mid 80's a neighbour offered to take my two children to the pier's skating rink so that they would not have to walk along the sea-wall to get there. I said ,'No thankyou'. He said ,'They're in danger walking along the sea-wall! I will take them!'; I said, 'No thankyou. They will walk together to skating on the sea-wall'. He made a big self-righteous fuss about me being a crap parent.
6 months later he was convicted of carrying out sexual assaults on two small children in the nearby woods, on the way to some children's event. He was saved from prison because his disabled elderly mother relied upon him for everything. But he was shunned for the rest of his life by everybody and he became a recluse, a prisoner in his own home. Enough, really.

Bravo. You were great in that situation. We mustn't trust anybody any more.
Fortunately I've never met a pedophile in my life, and I have never heard of any children's sex abuse in my town.

 

[oldbadger]

Bravo. You were great in that situation. We mustn't trust anybody any more.
Fortunately I've never met a pedophile in my life, and I have never heard of any children's sex abuse in my town.

That is very interesting...... do you think that Sicilian men would not abuse a child?..... or could it be that when children grow up the men will not admit that they were abused and the women dare not admit that they were abused? Over here it is beginning to look as if men who are raped will not admit it, thus they will never report it. Other men think it is funny if a man is raped here. Very sad.
In the same way I think that many adults were frightened to admit that they were the victims of child abuse.

 

[Estro Felino]

That is very interesting...... do you think that Sicilian men would not abuse a child?..... or could it be that when children grow up the men will not admit that they were abused and the women dare not admit that they were abused? Over here it is beginning to look as if men who are raped will not admit it, thus they will never report it. Other men think it is funny if a man is raped here. Very sad.
In the same way I think that many adults were frightened to admit that they were the victims of child abuse.

Of course. I think pedophiles are everywhere; I just said that I have been so lucky not to meet them.
That's why there is a very good priest, in my county, who founded a national association to fight pedophilia.
Btw...I think it is very difficult that people can erase the memory of being victim of abuse from their minds.

 

[Smart_Guy]

If one of your kids was the victim of someone like Marc Dutroux for example (Marc Dutroux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) do you think you would continue thinking that way?

This is the example that comes to my mind for this subject. We have a saying here that translates to "those whose hand in water are not like those whose hand in fire". It means that those living happy do not know what those facing tragedies feel.

Also, sometimes we have no choice but to get rid of the cause. Some delicate matters should be treated differently, I believe. We can't just imprison a child rapist for sometime then let them out to have a chance to do it again, of the possibility of his running away before time and still do it. Dunno about others, but I'm not willing to take the chances on the account of my own children or the children of others.

Maybe those rapists are still human, but that crime is not human and at the moment they do it, they are not humans.

Just my thought, and I might be wrong.

 

[Koldo]

Yes, people tend to become vicious pack animals when it comes to these sorts of subjects. I do support the death penalty and certainly think that psychopathic serial killers like Marc Dutroux or a Fred West should be put to death because according to what I know about psychiatry, they're not treatable and remain dangerous. I even would support the death penalty for those who torture animals to death for pleasure. However, a person who "just" molests a child? Without torture or murder? I think those people probably have treatable mental health issues and can be helped.

I agree with you completely.

 

[Draka]

Bravo. You were great in that situation. We mustn't trust anybody any more.
Fortunately I've never met a pedophile in my life, and I have never heard of any children's sex abuse in my town.

It is not like it is something frequently "heard of" here, but unique cases pop up that hit the news. Thing is, often times there are cases that go through the system that no one ever hears of at all. This means that there are "registered sex offenders" living amongst us without most people having any idea. Several of these offenders have committed acts against children. You simply don't know unless you look them up. There are databases one can access that list where offenders live in proximity to you and what their crimes were so people are aware. This because there is often a chance that such people may offend again. As I mentioned earlier I had found out the the guy living in the other side of my duplex a few years ago was a child sex offender...against a girl my daughter's age. Believe me, something to know.

 

[BSM1]

Of course not. How on earth did you read that into my comment?

Seems like your trying to find an excuse for the actions of animal that would rape a five year old child. Some times the world looks better in black and white rather than in multi-layers of grey. Just saying.

 

[Bunyip]

Seems like your trying to find an excuse for the actions of animal that would rape a five year old child. Some times the world looks better in black and white rather than in multi-layers of grey. Just saying.

Sure, sometimes the world does look better and our actions are clearer if we look at it in the most simplistic black and white. Then we become adults.

The world is not that simple.

Could you answer to my example please? Would you give the death penalty to an intellectually disabled sex offender who was raped and tormented by his parents?
Let's say that he is 18 years old and molested another child whilst on a shool camp. It is his first offence.

Do you kill him?

 

[BSM1]

Sure, sometimes the world does look better and our actions are clearer if we look at it in the most simplistic black and white. Then we become adults.

The world is not that simple.

Could you answer to my example please? Would you give the death penalty to an intellectually disabled sex offender who was raped and tormented by his parents?
Let's say that he is 18 years old and molested another child whilst on a shool camp. It is his first offence.

Do you kill him?

Yes, if you want to make sure he never harms another child. What other choices do you have that guarantees he won't do it again. Imprisonment? Rehabilitation? Lobotomy?

 

[Draka]

You don't even have to go so far as saying the person was sexually tormented or any of that by his parents. I know someone who, due to severe brain trauma as a small child brought on by high fever, mentally, never really progressed past childhood himself. While in a man's body, there are just certain things that he simply does not understand, he is very childlike in his mind. He had sexual contact, as an older teen, with a girl around 8 I think it was (mind you around his own mental age) and to him it was "playing doctor". Luckily, being that his mental state was documented, instead of prison, he was sent to a state mental hospital for a while and I think he now (in his forties) lives in a state home as well. Not once has there been another occurrence of such a thing. He had to be taught, he is also just monitored for safety for everyone as he is just a child in a man's body really. Not all who commit crimes against children are "in their right minds" as the saying goes.

 

[Bunyip]

Yes, if you want to make sure he never harms another child. What other choices do you have that guarantees he won't do it again. Imprisonment? Rehabilitation? Lobotomy?

Please answer the question - would you kill him?

 

[Buttercup]

Do you agree with the death penalty for pedophiles in case of confirmed guild beyond any doubt?

I'm wondering if people who are advocating for the death penalty for a pedophile are as disgusted and wanting the death penalty imposed for mothers who murder their children ? Just curious.

 

[Mister Emu]

If one of your kids was the victim of someone like Marc Dutroux for example (Marc Dutroux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) do you think you would continue thinking that way?

Shall we answer moral questions with hypothesized scenarios of rage-filled moments of righteous anger?

Giving child molesters the death penalty gives them an "out" for the often permanent psychological damage they have inflicted upon a child. Life imprisonment in gen pop...that will be a constant punishment. Once it becomes common knowledge amongst the other inmates what the person is in for...their life in prison is never pretty. Just saying.

Western justice understands that cruelty is not ethically rewarded with cruelty. We don't punish rapists with rape. To do so harms us as a society more than it does the individual.

But, I'm curious to know how you define the line you think clearly separates a pedophile from a child abuser?

One is a condition characterized by the inducement of sexual arousal by prepubescent children. The other is the state of being someone that abuses children. I would posit heavy positive correlation between the two with causal elements, but it that correlation is not 1.0

I wouldn't call him a pedophile because he doesn't seem to have emotional/romantic attractions to children.

Please don't let pedophiles romanticize pedophilia. Pedophilia is defined by sexual attraction not emotional and romantic connection.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Please don't let pedophiles romanticize pedophilia. Pedophilia is defined by sexual attraction not emotional and romantic connection.

I'm not "romanticizing" anything. I'm making a distinction between pedophiles and child molesters/abusers, which aren't always the same thing.