Audie
Veteran Member
You don't understand at all why I said it's all
about you tho you added to the examples.
Turn some of your assumed wisdom inward and
TRY to see that big shiny ego in there.
The truly fantastic arrogance.
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Signs of Holy Spirit guidance in Christians?
- Thread starter PoetPhilosopher
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about you tho you added to the examples.
Turn some of your assumed wisdom inward and
TRY to see that big shiny ego in there.
The truly fantastic arrogance.
Audie
Veteran Member
I see a lot of faux humility from people favored "of "
God ( they say) and who present that the know more science than any resesrcher, and, are possessed infallible
scrip- readin' powers.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Good thing about this is, if it can't be measured objectively, I can dismiss it and you are left standing with an unsubstantiated claim.
syo
Well-Known Member
If the lion's stomach glows, there you have it.
Messianic Israelite
Active Member
Good afternoon Snow White. Galatians 5:22-23 shows the fruits of the spirit evident in the lives of the believers. However, people sometimes miss what it actually says. Let's read the scripture.
"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law."
Notice what it says. 'Against such there is no law'. The Laws of Yahweh are still applicable and we cannot achieve the fruits of the Spirit without keeping the commandments of Yahweh. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who obey all the commandments of Yahweh (Acts 5:32). Most Chr-stians sadly claim the Law has been done away with at the death of the Messiah, but nothing could be further from the truth. The Law helps us foster those good fruits of the Spirit. Some people become self-righteous when they observe the Law, but that's because they are selectively observing some, not all, of the Laws. Love for Yahweh will result in us keeping all of His righteous commandments, and giving honor to His Son, our Savior Yahshua the Messiah. Love for Yahweh will mean we won't substitute His Name, claiming it doesn't matter what we call Him despite the thousands of references to the importance of using the one (singular) Name of Yahweh and the one saving Name of Yahshua (Acts 4:12).
Why it is good that you can dismiss? And why you couldn't dismiss it anyway, if you don't like it?
Why do you think so?
Audie
Veteran Member
I've been watching your posts
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
A spirit can be holy without being smart.
Audie
Veteran Member
Must be. Whoever can you trust?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It would seriously impress me if all Christians everywhere followed the same exact doctrine as proof of divine guidance.
In light of over 36 000 variations of doctrines however, I doubt that will be anytime soon.
Audie
Veteran Member
You will get, if you ask, a variety of divinely
Inspired reasons why that is so.
Or outright denial that it is so.
What is not wise in them? That I don't blindly accept your opinions as facts?
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Audie
Veteran Member
Not a lot of wisdom reflected in that silly response
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think it's likely that the "Holy Spirit" is referenced in the Tanakh as being "God's Spirit", thus an extension from God that we can be influenced on if we tap into it, such as with the Society of Friend's "Inner Light" teaching.
John D. Brey
Well-Known Member
Excellent question. And an excellent answer is found in a Harvard Professor of Biological Evolution's fairly recent book, Joseph Henrich's, The WEIRDest Peopole in the World. In the book, Professor Henrich shows, using the scientific-method, and historical examination, that many of the profound things we take for granted in the Western World, have their genesis in the Spirit-guided actions of men like Isaac Newton, and Martin Luther (to name just two). For instance, Professor Henrich shows how literacy among the average folk rippled out from Wittenberg like waves in a pond with Wittenberg dead-center once Luther demanded that every Christian learn to read, and write, for themselves, so that they could read the Luther Bible for themselves rather than being lied to by the Roman Church and a hierarchy who tried to own and control thought to their own end (kinda like how our government now tries to control Twitter and Facebook so that they can determine what news gets out to people).
People take the industrial and information/technology revolution for granted as though it was a natural evolutionary product of man. But the truth is that if one examines history, it can be shown that Christian men, attempting to force what the Holy Spirit was teaching them as biblical truth onto the material world, began to change the material world in ways that are almost beyond belief. For instance, Albert Einstein claimed that two particular Christian men are the fathers of all modern science and that these two men influenced him more than any others: Newton and Kant. An atheist Oxford Professor of Philosophy focused on the evolution of science, Bryan Magee, said this:
One thing that has always struck me forcefully about this doctrine of Kant’s is that it legitimates important components of a belief which he had held since long before he began to philosophize, namely Christian belief . . .what he did unmistakably (and un-remarked on to an extent that has never ceased to astonish me), is produce rational justifications for many aspects of the religious beliefs in which he grew up. Let me put it this way. We know for a fact that long before Kant started to philosophize he was dedicated, simply as a Christian, to the belief that the empirical world of time and space and material objects, within which everything is evanescent and everything perishes, is something that exists only for us mortals in our present life; that "outside" this world there is another, so to say infinitely more "important', realm of existence which is timeless and spaceless, and in which the beings are not material objects. . . Now it is as if he then said to himself: "How can these things be so? What can be the nature of time and space and material objects if they obtain only in the world of human beings? Could it be, given that they characterize only the world of experience and nothing else, that they are characteristics, or preconditions, of experience, and nothing else?" In other words, Kant's philosophy is a fully worked out analysis of what needs to be the case for what he believed already to be true.
Bryan Magee, Confessions of a Philosopher, p.249, 250.
What the Holy Spirit accomplishes through Christian thought and action is always taken for granted as the natural affects of typical human thought by those who don't believe in the Holy Spirit. How could it be otherwise. For instance, the greatest seedbed of the scientific and technological revolution the world will every know, i.e., the United States of America, is the only country in the world where the majority of its citizens reject the defect known as Darwinian evolution. The United States of America is a geography moved, and affected, by men endowed with the Holy Spirit, more than any other nation, and, voila, it has changed the world more in the last hundred years than all the rest of the nations combined. America defeated tyranny on European soil twice in World Wars. It financed and assisted in the rebuilding of its enemies, Germany and Japan (loved its enemies as the Holy Spirit demands). It lifted China out of her Medieval mind-set and helped her join in the scientific and technological revolution powered by the USA. In every way the USA has been not only ground-zero for the function of the Holy Spirit in human affairs, but the affects of that functioning Holy Spirit are so stupendous that only the gross inattention of those who blame everything on fatalism or Darwinism and assume everything is as it is by the accidents of Darwinian-fatalism, could be so blind to the fact that the Holy Spirit is changing the world in profound ways beneath their very noses.
John
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe people think a lot of things that are not true. I have the Truth in me so I am not worried bout it.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe however that "Holy Spirit" is often used to refer to the Paraclete which is not the same thing as the Spirit of God.