Ebionite
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You don't have the first clue what I need. I was talking about the divine word, not your secular elementary school.
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Signs of Holy Spirit guidance in Christians?
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I have no idea what you are talking about, what a divine word is. I only know that you falsely claimed that holly and holy would be pronounced the same if you read them phonetically.
Ebionite
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If you don't understand the divine word then you have no business making ignorant claims about related matters.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
"Divine word" is not an expression that I know. You are welcome to explain what you mean. But it is silly for you to think I can read your mind. And, no, it does NOT follow that just because I don't know one thing, doesn't mean I don't know another. Totally fallacious reasoning...
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And frankly I find it illogical.
has nothing to do with christianity exclusively. jesus wasn't christian. that's your first clue
1 Corinthians 6:19 is your second clue.
when the spirit awakens from the grave, the dead will wake to everlasting life even though the body will become dust again.
this is your third clue
Daniel 12:2
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
and finally this your 4th
revelation 3:2-3
2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
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Ebionite
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OK, I'm using that term to refer to cases like these:
And the word of YHWH came to Solomon, saying,
1 Kings 6:11
[And] as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on,) but stand thou still a while, that I may shew thee the word of Elohim.
1 Samuel 9:27
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John 10:34-35
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I asked you about the expression "Divine word." That expression is not in this verse.
Again, the expression "divine word" is not in this verse.
Apparently it is an expression you made up and are comfortable with.
AGain, not here. Nor am I interested in the New Testament.
Muffled
Jesus in me
If they were talking about the Paraclete then they were in error. If they were talking about the essence of God then that is in Jesus and needs no relationship. The relationship between Father and Son is that of God within and God without.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
I don't know why this is a problem for you. Do you think that YHWH and Elohim are not divine?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I just found it odd that you made up your own expression.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
It's part of normal communication.
What Divine word are you wanting to educate the ignorant about ?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
He made up the expression, so you might as well ask him what it means.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The prophetic Psalms that relate to the spirit of truth of John 15:26.
| 23 | He that hateth me hateth my Father also. |
| 24 | If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. |
| 25 | But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. |
| 26 | But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: |
There are three Psalms of David that mention unjustified hatred. Psalm 22 and 69 are about the crucified twin, Psalm 35 is about the Messiah, and Psalm 109 is about Paul.
| 19 | Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
| 4 | They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, [being] mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored [that] which I took not away. |
| 3 | They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause. |
You are conflating prophecy with logical fallacy .. and there is little divine about that. Some Historical or Biblical figure from OT times talking about how their enemy hates them .. has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus complaining about folks that hated him.
Sorry Friend .. Only Prophecy going on here is the false kind
Ebionite
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No, there are too many correlations between the Psalms and the central characters in the crucifixion narrative.
No false prophecy, either.
| 3 | Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, [even] the sure mercies of David. |
| 4 | Behold, I have given him [for] a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people. |
They are not correlations === as explained in previous post ... some Historical figure doing something completely normal unremarkable and common .. such as hating one's enemies ... means "ZERO" in relation to some fellow complaining about his enemies hating him in the future.. there is nothing to corrolate. "Oh Look ... Ceasar took a **** behind a Tree .. and so did Trump" Trump must be Caesar
This is logical fallacy -- "False Logic" -- and thus any prophetic words steming from this False logic is False prophecy.
Now .. if we want to talk "Prophetic" - messages from the divine --- something that might have some semblence of legitimacy .. along the path of Divinity .. MelchiZedek is the place to begin your Journey .. The Canaanite Priest King .. to whome Abraham bends his knee .. tithes a 10th of the spoils .. together worship "The Most High" --- who is not YHWH .. but the Most HIgh of the Canaanite Pantheon.
Zedek is the Patron God of Jerusalem at the time . but not the Most High .. Twin divinities for Justice and Righteousness .. Part of the Divine council related to the Most High .. who's name you should know .. as this is the God of Jesus ..
For Jesus is a Priest of the Order of MelchiZedek Hebrews 6 .... As Was David Psalm 110.
Ebionite
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They're correlations because of the narrow fit (6 data points). The contextual of testimony about the Messiah emphasises that, since there are only three chapters from Psalms which mention unjustified hatred.
Again:
| 23 | He that hateth me hateth my Father also. |
| 24 | If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. |
| 25 | But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. |
| 26 | But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: |
| 19 | Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
Psalm 35 relates to the Messiah because of the trap of entanglement, the false testimony against him, his behaviour towards Judas Iscariot, the appeal against the boast of his enemies, the symbolism of the serpent, and the righteous servant of Isaiah 53.