Position of Jesus in Islam
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Popeyesays
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It's nice to give a citation to anything you quote from the web or a book. To not do that may seem to discredit what you say as you are technically stealing someone else's work.
Position of Jesus in Islam
As a Baha`i, I, too must accept Jesus as an Apostle of God and the bearer of a Book from God. So Islam is not the only non-Christian religion that does so. I also accept Muhammed in just the same way.
Regards,
Scott
Position of Jesus in Islam
- Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).
- We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).
- We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.
- We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).
- We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.
- We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.
As a Baha`i, I, too must accept Jesus as an Apostle of God and the bearer of a Book from God. So Islam is not the only non-Christian religion that does so. I also accept Muhammed in just the same way.
Regards,
Scott
ayani
member
actually, last night i went with a muslim sister to a dawa talk, where some evangelical Christians came to learn about Islam, and dialog. initially, it started out with one Sunni brother kind of talking down to the Christians. but later it became more of a conversation.
our points of discussion turned out to be Jesus' divinity, universalism vs. "our way or the highway", and the issue of "faith vs. works" and God's grace in the Quran. it went really well, thanks to God. both our faiths believe in One God, in His mercy and guidance, that He reminds us through scripture, and in doing righteous works.
it started out a little too much like proselytizing, imo. but later, alhamdulillah, we listened to one another better, and we ended the session with reading 2:62.
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. 2:62
our points of discussion turned out to be Jesus' divinity, universalism vs. "our way or the highway", and the issue of "faith vs. works" and God's grace in the Quran. it went really well, thanks to God. both our faiths believe in One God, in His mercy and guidance, that He reminds us through scripture, and in doing righteous works.
it started out a little too much like proselytizing, imo. but later, alhamdulillah, we listened to one another better, and we ended the session with reading 2:62.
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. 2:62
Shellybelly7
Shellybelly
Well, thanks for all the info. I agree with you on the part about Jesus. I think that many people throughout time have misunrstood Jesus. He was even accused of blaspheming in his own day.
However, I am told that Muslims agree with everything that is in the Christian scripture as well. How do you think Allah feels about polygamy? It is spoken against by God in Genesis. God gives the command specifically, "And man shall leave hi father and his mother and the two shall become one flesh." Also, if God thought it was Ok and even good for man to have more than one wife, he would have made it so that more women would be born and also live than men.
I have had it put to me this way by one imam, "Someone has to marry all the leftover women if lots of men die in war or we would have lots of women left over with no husbands." This is not true. Yes, there would be lots of unwed women left with no men wo marry but this is not what God commands. It is only due to our sinful nature that we wage war on eachother. One of the ten commandments given by moses is that "Thou shalt not kill." I could go on and on with this but I won't.
However, I am told that Muslims agree with everything that is in the Christian scripture as well. How do you think Allah feels about polygamy? It is spoken against by God in Genesis. God gives the command specifically, "And man shall leave hi father and his mother and the two shall become one flesh." Also, if God thought it was Ok and even good for man to have more than one wife, he would have made it so that more women would be born and also live than men.
I have had it put to me this way by one imam, "Someone has to marry all the leftover women if lots of men die in war or we would have lots of women left over with no husbands." This is not true. Yes, there would be lots of unwed women left with no men wo marry but this is not what God commands. It is only due to our sinful nature that we wage war on eachother. One of the ten commandments given by moses is that "Thou shalt not kill." I could go on and on with this but I won't.
ayani
member
Shelly~ it's true that one of the ten commandments is not to kill. yet the book of Ecclesiastes says that there *is* a time for war as well as for peace, and the Torah has many examples of the Jewish people waging war. i struggled with this, as well. why war? why not non-violent resistance? isn't that better? yes, peace is better than war, but sometimes, according to the Quran, in order to prevent injustice and corruption and suffering, some people must be able to defend themselves, and to repel aggression.
i've never taken up arms, nor have i ever had my loved ones or community violently attacked, so maybe i am not in a great position to abstractly take issue with the idea of defensive war. if my town was invaded tomorrow, hypothetically, and the invaders began to drive people out of their homes, deny us food, harass us, and kill people for sport, would God allow us to fight back, in order to, God willing, restore peace and give better lives back to our neighbors?
as to the polygamy issue, that's another interesting one. the Quran's verses about marriage are overwhelmingly monogamous in address. "your wives are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them" (2:187) implies a fair, mutual, enjoyable relationship between two people. and the bit about 72 virgins in no where within the Quran. the polygamy issue is mentioned here :
...then you may marry those who are agreeable to you of the women: two, and three, and four. but if you fear you will not be fair, then only one, or to whom you are committed to by oath. this is best that you do not face financial hardship. 4:3
which raises the question, if one wife and one husband is preferable, why mention marrying four at all? the verse is surrounded by others discussing the situation of women and orphans who are without means of supporting themselves, or who will face financial hardship if owed money is selfishly denied them. it is possible that the verse describes marriage to those women without means of otherwise supporting themselves. of course, marriage must be consensual. and marriage is not the only way an unemployed or needy woman need be supported by her community. but it's an option, and husband are told to be fair between their wives, if they marry more than one, and to not do so out of opportunism.
still grappling with that one, honestly. clearly, one spouse to one spouse is preferable in the Quran. as to why the four are mentioned at all? the points above may shed some light, and God knows best.
i've never taken up arms, nor have i ever had my loved ones or community violently attacked, so maybe i am not in a great position to abstractly take issue with the idea of defensive war. if my town was invaded tomorrow, hypothetically, and the invaders began to drive people out of their homes, deny us food, harass us, and kill people for sport, would God allow us to fight back, in order to, God willing, restore peace and give better lives back to our neighbors?
as to the polygamy issue, that's another interesting one. the Quran's verses about marriage are overwhelmingly monogamous in address. "your wives are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them" (2:187) implies a fair, mutual, enjoyable relationship between two people. and the bit about 72 virgins in no where within the Quran. the polygamy issue is mentioned here :
...then you may marry those who are agreeable to you of the women: two, and three, and four. but if you fear you will not be fair, then only one, or to whom you are committed to by oath. this is best that you do not face financial hardship. 4:3
which raises the question, if one wife and one husband is preferable, why mention marrying four at all? the verse is surrounded by others discussing the situation of women and orphans who are without means of supporting themselves, or who will face financial hardship if owed money is selfishly denied them. it is possible that the verse describes marriage to those women without means of otherwise supporting themselves. of course, marriage must be consensual. and marriage is not the only way an unemployed or needy woman need be supported by her community. but it's an option, and husband are told to be fair between their wives, if they marry more than one, and to not do so out of opportunism.
still grappling with that one, honestly. clearly, one spouse to one spouse is preferable in the Quran. as to why the four are mentioned at all? the points above may shed some light, and God knows best.
nawab
Active Member
Dont talk about God spoke against polygmy, just check the Bible and see how many prophets had how many wives, Abrahim had 3 spouses, Solomon had 300 wives and 700 cocubines, Jacob had 2 wives, so whats the big deal if we today have 4 wives per husband.
You guys just marry one, and have tens of other girlfriends. isnt this the same. but we enjoy a healthy relationship with modesty. Not like westerners who claim to be christians the wife is sleeping with another man and the huband is sleeping with another woman.
You guys just marry one, and have tens of other girlfriends. isnt this the same. but we enjoy a healthy relationship with modesty. Not like westerners who claim to be christians the wife is sleeping with another man and the huband is sleeping with another woman.
kai
ragamuffin
yes very good another attempt to suggest somehow this people of the book thing
lets just get things striaight
Allah does not have a son
christians beleive jesus is devine and salvation comes through jesus
although there is a place for jesus in Islam as a prophet ,there is no place for Mohammed in Chrstianity
lets just get things striaight
Allah does not have a son
christians beleive jesus is devine and salvation comes through jesus
although there is a place for jesus in Islam as a prophet ,there is no place for Mohammed in Chrstianity
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
McBell
Unbound
Funny, I was just thinking that perhaps Islam is merely a copy of Christianity with some things thrown in to make it a new religion made by man.
Which would explain why Mohammad is never ever even once mentioned or eluded to in the Bible.
nawab
Active Member
You know what, i am sick of people saying that Islam is a copy of Christianity. Besides the comandments of God, Nothing is the same in the Bible and the quran.
10 cases of incest in the bible /Muhammad PBUH failed to copy even one.
common among Christian Comunities
like US & UK even in the Vatican.
in the Churches
Ezekiel 23 (Pornography in the bible) / Too Bad, Again Muhammad failed to copy one
Embarrasing Passage by God
prophets committing sins, without repenting / In Quran, Prophets didnt commited sins
it was normal from them to comit sins so it The Prophets made mistakes but repented and
is today normal for Christians to commit sins were forgiven.
2 Samuels 13:6 teaches you how to rape your / In the Quran, not mention
own sister Amon and Tamar. So I guess today
in the US, Fellow Americans are taking the bible
too seriously
Judges 16:1 Samson going to Gaza saw a Harlot / In Quran not mentioned
(a prostitute and having sex) no repentance, no
punishment from God
Numbers 31:15 Moses, commanding the Jews to / In the Quran not mentioned
Massacare the Male children, and used women
but keep all the virgins alive. How do you know
if a lady is virgin do you just simply ask her
no you have sex with her and you will know.
1 Samuel 18:27 - David killing 200 Men and cutting / In the quran this is not mentioned
thier foreskin off the penises and going to the king
and gave the King in full count. the foreskin of the
penis. so that he can marry Princess Michelle and be
son in law of the King. Remember guys, when you get
circumcised dont throw away the foreskin it is very
expensive in the biblical customs maybe you can sell
it to them. they will give you a princess.
So, half of the bible is containg absurdies i will end with this comparrison
Gensises 2: 2 God rested after creating the / We Created the heavens and the earth and
world, imagine a tired God. all between them in six days, nor did
any sense of weariness touch Us.
The bible God becomes tired but the Quranic God does not becomes tired
10 cases of incest in the bible /Muhammad PBUH failed to copy even one.
common among Christian Comunities
like US & UK even in the Vatican.
in the Churches
Ezekiel 23 (Pornography in the bible) / Too Bad, Again Muhammad failed to copy one
Embarrasing Passage by God
prophets committing sins, without repenting / In Quran, Prophets didnt commited sins
it was normal from them to comit sins so it The Prophets made mistakes but repented and
is today normal for Christians to commit sins were forgiven.
2 Samuels 13:6 teaches you how to rape your / In the Quran, not mention
own sister Amon and Tamar. So I guess today
in the US, Fellow Americans are taking the bible
too seriously
Judges 16:1 Samson going to Gaza saw a Harlot / In Quran not mentioned
(a prostitute and having sex) no repentance, no
punishment from God
Numbers 31:15 Moses, commanding the Jews to / In the Quran not mentioned
Massacare the Male children, and used women
but keep all the virgins alive. How do you know
if a lady is virgin do you just simply ask her
no you have sex with her and you will know.
1 Samuel 18:27 - David killing 200 Men and cutting / In the quran this is not mentioned
thier foreskin off the penises and going to the king
and gave the King in full count. the foreskin of the
penis. so that he can marry Princess Michelle and be
son in law of the King. Remember guys, when you get
circumcised dont throw away the foreskin it is very
expensive in the biblical customs maybe you can sell
it to them. they will give you a princess.
So, half of the bible is containg absurdies i will end with this comparrison
Gensises 2: 2 God rested after creating the / We Created the heavens and the earth and
world, imagine a tired God. all between them in six days, nor did
any sense of weariness touch Us.
The bible God becomes tired but the Quranic God does not becomes tired
McBell
Unbound
Says you.
But then again, since Neither Christianity nor Islam brings anything new to the table...
kai
ragamuffin
which christians do not beleive he is the son of God? or part of God ? and Islam is absolute NO son, NO part of God , am i correct in that?
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Nestorians, Arians, Quakers for starters.
For the record I accept Jesus as "Son of God" as a title. I also believe that the nature of Jesus, or Moses, or Muhammed or Abraham or Krshna, et al. is DIVINE.
God does not need gender, gender and procreation are things of the material creation and God is not Creation.
Regards,
Scott
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
Wikipedia
Denial of Christ's divine nature
In the early centuries of Christian history, various groups denied the divinity of Jesus. The Adoptionists taught that Jesus was born fully human, and was adopted as God's Son when John the Baptist baptised him (Mark 1:10) because of the life he lived. Another group, known as the Ebionites, taught that Jesus was not God, but the human Moshiach (messiah, anointed) prophet promised in the Old Testament. Arianism affirmed that Jesus was divine, but taught that he was nevertheless a created being ("there was when he was not"), less divine than God the Father.
Some of these views could be described as Unitarianism (although that is a modern term) in their insistence on the one-ness of God. These views, which directly affected how one understood the Godhead, were declared heresies by the Council of Nicaea. Throughout much of the rest of the ancient history of Christianity, Christologies that denied Christ's divinity ceased to have a major impact on the life of the church.
In the modern era, a number of denominations have rejected the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity, including the Christadelphians and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Mainstream Christian churches usually regard these groups as modern versions of the Arian heresy.[1]
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Regards,
Scott
Denial of Christ's divine nature
In the early centuries of Christian history, various groups denied the divinity of Jesus. The Adoptionists taught that Jesus was born fully human, and was adopted as God's Son when John the Baptist baptised him (Mark 1:10) because of the life he lived. Another group, known as the Ebionites, taught that Jesus was not God, but the human Moshiach (messiah, anointed) prophet promised in the Old Testament. Arianism affirmed that Jesus was divine, but taught that he was nevertheless a created being ("there was when he was not"), less divine than God the Father.
Some of these views could be described as Unitarianism (although that is a modern term) in their insistence on the one-ness of God. These views, which directly affected how one understood the Godhead, were declared heresies by the Council of Nicaea. Throughout much of the rest of the ancient history of Christianity, Christologies that denied Christ's divinity ceased to have a major impact on the life of the church.
In the modern era, a number of denominations have rejected the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity, including the Christadelphians and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Mainstream Christian churches usually regard these groups as modern versions of the Arian heresy.[1]
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Regards,
Scott
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
From Wikipedia:
Forms
Unitarianism can very loosely be divided into two categories. Both maintain that God is one being and one "person"—the one Jesus called "Our Father". Jesus is the (or a) Son of God, but generally not God himself. However, they differ as to particulars.
Jesus existed as a person before his human life
The Son of God is a preexistent being, the Logos who dwelt with God in the beginning and then was born as the man Jesus. However, he is not eternal, but had a beginning of existence. This theology is commonly called Arianism, but there are many varieties of this form of Unitarianism, ranging from the belief that the Son, before he came to earth, was a divine spirit of the same nature as God to the belief that he was an angel or other lesser spirit creature of a wholly different nature from God, and Arius' views represent only one variation of this theology.
Whatever the case, in this belief system, Jesus is beneath God, but higher than humans (and has always been so). We might call it "elevated subordinationism." It is associated with early church figures such as Justin Martyr, Lucian of Antioch, Eusebius of Caesarea, Arius, Eusebius of Nicomedia, Asterius the Sophist, Eunomius, and Ulfilas, as well as Felix, Bishop of Urgel and others who believed that Jesus was God in his divine nature but his divinity in his human nature was through adoption. Arian forms of Unitarianism remain among Unitarians in Transylvania, Hungary, France, and several countries in Africa.[citation needed]
Famous Arian Unitarians include Isaac Newton,[3] Andrews Norton[4] and Dr. William Ellery Channing.[5] Since the 19th century, several Evangelical or Revivalist movements adopted an elevated subordinationist theology (best described as Nontrinitarianism, rather than Unitarianism).
Important figures include Barton W. Stone and Charles Taze Russell. Theologies among Evangelical Unitarians are sometimes Arian,[6] and sometimes Sabellian[7] (Jesus is God in the flesh, the manifestation of God, who exists as a single person). Other modern non-trinitarian churches, such as the Filipino-based Iglesia ni Cristo, may also be included, although they reject the "unitarian" name to avoid confusion. Jehovah's Witnesses also have a nontrinitarian theology with specific traits.
Regards,
Scott
Forms
Unitarianism can very loosely be divided into two categories. Both maintain that God is one being and one "person"—the one Jesus called "Our Father". Jesus is the (or a) Son of God, but generally not God himself. However, they differ as to particulars.
Jesus existed as a person before his human life
The Son of God is a preexistent being, the Logos who dwelt with God in the beginning and then was born as the man Jesus. However, he is not eternal, but had a beginning of existence. This theology is commonly called Arianism, but there are many varieties of this form of Unitarianism, ranging from the belief that the Son, before he came to earth, was a divine spirit of the same nature as God to the belief that he was an angel or other lesser spirit creature of a wholly different nature from God, and Arius' views represent only one variation of this theology.
Whatever the case, in this belief system, Jesus is beneath God, but higher than humans (and has always been so). We might call it "elevated subordinationism." It is associated with early church figures such as Justin Martyr, Lucian of Antioch, Eusebius of Caesarea, Arius, Eusebius of Nicomedia, Asterius the Sophist, Eunomius, and Ulfilas, as well as Felix, Bishop of Urgel and others who believed that Jesus was God in his divine nature but his divinity in his human nature was through adoption. Arian forms of Unitarianism remain among Unitarians in Transylvania, Hungary, France, and several countries in Africa.[citation needed]
Famous Arian Unitarians include Isaac Newton,[3] Andrews Norton[4] and Dr. William Ellery Channing.[5] Since the 19th century, several Evangelical or Revivalist movements adopted an elevated subordinationist theology (best described as Nontrinitarianism, rather than Unitarianism).
Important figures include Barton W. Stone and Charles Taze Russell. Theologies among Evangelical Unitarians are sometimes Arian,[6] and sometimes Sabellian[7] (Jesus is God in the flesh, the manifestation of God, who exists as a single person). Other modern non-trinitarian churches, such as the Filipino-based Iglesia ni Cristo, may also be included, although they reject the "unitarian" name to avoid confusion. Jehovah's Witnesses also have a nontrinitarian theology with specific traits.
Regards,
Scott
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
continued:
Jesus did not exist as a person before his human life
This theology ranges from the belief that Jesus was merely a great man filled with the Holy Spirit (sometimes called Psilanthropism or, more commonly, Socinianism) to the belief that he is the incarnation of God's impersonal Logos. It is associated with early church figures like the Ebionites, Theodotus of Byzantium, Artemon, and Paul of Samosata in the early Church, Marcellus of Ancyra and his pupil Photinus in the 4th century AD, and Michael Servetus, Ferenc Dávid and Faustus Socinus in the Protestant Reformation. It is from the latter that we get the word "Socinianism," but the teaching of Socinus is unique in more than just its Christology, and so the name is best not used as merely a Christological term.
In modern times we see the psilanthropist view manifested in Rationalist Unitarianism, which emerged from the German Rationalism and the liberal theology of the 19th century. Its proponents took a highly intellectual and humanistic approach to religion, rejecting most of the miraculous events in the Bible (including the virgin birth.) They embraced evolutionary concepts, asserted the "inherent goodness of man" and abandoned the doctrine of biblical infallibility. Rationalist Unitarianism is distinguished from Deism (with which it nevertheless shares many features) by its belief in a personal deity who directly acts on creation, while Deists see God as holding aloof from creation.
Notable Rationalist Unitarians include Ralph Waldo Emerson and Theodore Parker in theology and ministry, Joseph Priestley and Linus Pauling in science, Susan B. Anthony and Florence Nightingale in humanitarianism and social justice, Charles Dickens in literature, and Frank Lloyd Wright in arts. Many Hungarian Unitarians embrace the principles of Rationalist Unitarianism—the only Unitarian high school in the world, John Sigismund Unitarian Academy in Cluj Napoca (Kolozsvár, Klausenburg), Romania, teaches Rationalist Unitarianism. The psilanthropist concept of the nature of Jesus is similar to the viewpoint held by the Islamic faith, which regards Jesus as a non-divine and human Prophet. Christadelphians and both groups called the Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith are Evangelical Unitarians.
Regards,
Scott
Jesus did not exist as a person before his human life
This theology ranges from the belief that Jesus was merely a great man filled with the Holy Spirit (sometimes called Psilanthropism or, more commonly, Socinianism) to the belief that he is the incarnation of God's impersonal Logos. It is associated with early church figures like the Ebionites, Theodotus of Byzantium, Artemon, and Paul of Samosata in the early Church, Marcellus of Ancyra and his pupil Photinus in the 4th century AD, and Michael Servetus, Ferenc Dávid and Faustus Socinus in the Protestant Reformation. It is from the latter that we get the word "Socinianism," but the teaching of Socinus is unique in more than just its Christology, and so the name is best not used as merely a Christological term.
In modern times we see the psilanthropist view manifested in Rationalist Unitarianism, which emerged from the German Rationalism and the liberal theology of the 19th century. Its proponents took a highly intellectual and humanistic approach to religion, rejecting most of the miraculous events in the Bible (including the virgin birth.) They embraced evolutionary concepts, asserted the "inherent goodness of man" and abandoned the doctrine of biblical infallibility. Rationalist Unitarianism is distinguished from Deism (with which it nevertheless shares many features) by its belief in a personal deity who directly acts on creation, while Deists see God as holding aloof from creation.
Notable Rationalist Unitarians include Ralph Waldo Emerson and Theodore Parker in theology and ministry, Joseph Priestley and Linus Pauling in science, Susan B. Anthony and Florence Nightingale in humanitarianism and social justice, Charles Dickens in literature, and Frank Lloyd Wright in arts. Many Hungarian Unitarians embrace the principles of Rationalist Unitarianism—the only Unitarian high school in the world, John Sigismund Unitarian Academy in Cluj Napoca (Kolozsvár, Klausenburg), Romania, teaches Rationalist Unitarianism. The psilanthropist concept of the nature of Jesus is similar to the viewpoint held by the Islamic faith, which regards Jesus as a non-divine and human Prophet. Christadelphians and both groups called the Church of God of the Abrahamic Faith are Evangelical Unitarians.
Regards,
Scott
kai
ragamuffin
quakers
Modern Friends often express this belief in many ways, including the attitude of trying to see "that of God in everyone"; finding and relating to "the Inner light", "the inward Christ", or "the spirit of Christ within." Early Friends more often used terms such as "Truth", "the Seed", and "the Pure Principle", from the principle that each person would be transformed as Christ formed and grew in them.
Since Friends believe that he contains God, much of the Quaker perspective is based on trying to hear God and to allow God's Spirit free action in the heart. Isaac Penington wrote in 1670: "It is not enough to hear of Christ, or read of Christ, but this is the thing - to feel him my root, my life, my foundation.
Arians
Arius taught that God the Father and the Son did not exist together eternally. Further, Arius taught that the pre-incarnate Jesus was a divine being created by (and possibly inferior to) the Father at some point, before which the Son did not exist. In English-language works, it is sometimes said that Arians believe that Jesus is or was a "creature;" in this context, the word is being used in its original sense of "created being."
Nestorians
Nestorianism is the doctrine that Christ exists as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, or Logos,
wiki
Modern Friends often express this belief in many ways, including the attitude of trying to see "that of God in everyone"; finding and relating to "the Inner light", "the inward Christ", or "the spirit of Christ within." Early Friends more often used terms such as "Truth", "the Seed", and "the Pure Principle", from the principle that each person would be transformed as Christ formed and grew in them.
Since Friends believe that he contains God, much of the Quaker perspective is based on trying to hear God and to allow God's Spirit free action in the heart. Isaac Penington wrote in 1670: "It is not enough to hear of Christ, or read of Christ, but this is the thing - to feel him my root, my life, my foundation.
Arians
Arius taught that God the Father and the Son did not exist together eternally. Further, Arius taught that the pre-incarnate Jesus was a divine being created by (and possibly inferior to) the Father at some point, before which the Son did not exist. In English-language works, it is sometimes said that Arians believe that Jesus is or was a "creature;" in this context, the word is being used in its original sense of "created being."
Nestorians
Nestorianism is the doctrine that Christ exists as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, or Logos,
wiki