Sin=natural

[PolyHedral]

It appears "sin" has arisen from God making people people and then realizing that He doesn't want them to act like people.

 

[BIG D]

It's also "natural" to be wholly selfish. It's also "natural" to react violently to a perceived threat, whether one actually exists or not.

While I wouldn't call every entry on your list bad, nor would I call everything that many people call sinful, well, sinful (sex before marriage, homosexuality, feeling negative emotions, etc.), just because something is "natural" doesn't make it morally okay.

Discipline, for example, is all about going against what initially feels natural for the sake of a superior and/or successful outcome.

EDIT: Besides, don't forget that many things that are actually illegal were originally considered sinful, as well, such as murder, theft, assault, etc.

very much agree with these points

 

[BIG D]

Yes, it's natural for humans to make mistakes. People are born into this world with zero knowledge and have to work their way from there with varying degrees of help from parents, friends, communities, etc.

Quick-fix religious pills won't fix them, and forgiveness from above is a deception. Making mistakes is a good way to learn and grow. It's important to try to be conscious of one's actions so that one can reduce the number of mistakes one makes over time and becomes better and wiser.

good call

 

[BIG D]

Well yes it is quite natural to be angry, jealous, and hate people, but nothing ever comes good out of that. While fornication has pros and cons

Everyone has sin. There's no denying. Hell your probably sinning right now.

yes, it seems like we're doomed to sin...but then we 'need' forgiveness??

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I've never sinned. I'm not religious.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

yes, it seems like we're doomed to sin...but then we 'need' forgiveness??

I guess if you feel bad about it. You know like if your hurt someone feelings or something in that nature. Should you be sorry for that?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

yes, it seems like we're doomed to sin...but then we 'need' forgiveness??

Yeah. And according to the ancient Egyptians if your heart weighed more than a feather you would be feed to an alligator type monster. But that, much like the concept of sin, is very irrelevant if you do not believe in it.
And the hole concept of sin likely revolves around the personal morality of a few, and what the best answers were to the problems of a very primitive human race that knew very little to nothing of bacteria, mental disorders, psychology, and many other things that us modern humans take for granted.

 

[ellenjanuary]

As offspring of Adam and Eve, we were all born in sin. From birth on, the inclination of our heart is toward badness. If e do not curb those wrong tendencies, we may in time become accustomed to such a way of life. It may even seem "normal" because others around us are doing similar things. But the Bible identifies what is right and what is wrong from God's view point, in view of how he made man and his purpose for mankind. If we listen to our Creator and lovingly obey him, life will take on a richness of meaning that we never knew before, and we will have the prospect of eternal life on a paradise on earth....in Psalms 34:8 God invites us.

The Lord said to Moses, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you.'"
Leviticus 18

Mostly what the Bible is good at identifying is idolatry. Listening "to our Creator" is not reciting extraneous scripture; it is "hearing the angles sing" in all scripture. For instance, allow me to simplify. God = love = all. Mathematics, can't beat it.

Virtue and sin can be simplified into love and the corruption of love. And it is the expression of love in the form of compassion that prevents one man's virtue becoming another man's victimization. All you need is love... besides, considering god the father; Adam the son can be seen as the thirtysomething pothead living in the garage - Eden was never meant to be eternal, a.k.a tough love.

In a narrower sense, I love; but I'm also biology. I do not "repent" my inner animal, I translate it. Assigning detriment to a monopole has too often led to "us versus them." There ain't no "them." I'm the only kind of racist that actually exists, a human racist; repent yer repentance, and rejoin the human race.

 

[BIG D]

I guess if you feel bad about it. You know like if your hurt someone feelings or something in that nature. Should you be sorry for that?

in the end, no....but aren't you really feeling bad for YOURSELF if you hurt someone?sorry<>no, those things will happen....

 

[BIG D]

I've never sinned. I'm not religious.

very good answer

 

[BIG D]

Yeah. And according to the ancient Egyptians if your heart weighed more than a feather you would be feed to an alligator type monster. But that, much like the concept of sin, is very irrelevant if you do not believe in it.
And the hole concept of sin likely revolves around the personal morality of a few, and what the best answers were to the problems of a very primitive human race that knew very little to nothing of bacteria, mental disorders, psychology, and many other things that us modern humans take for granted.

very interesting....isn't it more mental, the idea of sin?

 

[McBell]

isn't it just natural to sin<>to get angry, jealous, hate, fornicate,etc????who here has NEVER been angry??or really hated someone,maybe just a little??who here has NEVER sinned?

Sin is nothing more than going against the wishes/will of your chosen deity.

So if your chosen deity says it is a sin to get angry, then it is a sin to get angry.

However, it seems to me that there are loads of things than men call sin without their gods stating that it is sin.
One wonders what their deity thinks about that kind of behavior..?

 

[Beta]

yes, it seems like we're doomed to sin...but then we 'need' forgiveness??

It is not only a question of having our sins forgiven but that we learn NOT TO SIN ANYMORE Rom.6.
Since sin is already in us we can not escape it and need God's help. But as He can not exist with sin he had to send his Son to first cleanse us of it through sacrifice and forgiveness. As we accept Jesus and go through that process we become more cleansed and purified so God can eventually come into us by his HS.making us his true children.

 

[BIG D]

It is not only a question of having our sins forgiven but that we learn NOT TO SIN ANYMORE Rom.6.
Since sin is already in us we can not escape it and need God's help. But as He can not exist with sin he had to send his Son to first cleanse us of it through sacrifice and forgiveness. As we accept Jesus and go through that process we become more cleansed and purified so God can eventually come into us by his HS.making us his true children.

I don't believe in 'sin'..people do things for a number of reasons<>environment/social upbringing/peers/parents/economic/etc...some people are just not taught right from wrong, so they don't know any better

 

[Beta]

...some people are just not taught right from wrong, so they don't know any better

And that means they should just be left to get things wrong even if it hurts/kills them ?
You are missing the whole point of why God created mankind.

 

[Blackheart]

I don't believe in 'sin'..people do things for a number of reasons<>environment/social upbringing/peers/parents/economic/etc...some people are just not taught right from wrong, so they don't know any better

Dont know right from wrong? Unless they are mentally every thief, murderer, liar, adulterer or simply nasty person knows the difference between right and wrong. Why do you think they try to avoid being caught. How many of these people have told you that they didnt know that what they were doing was wrong?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

very interesting....isn't it more mental, the idea of sin?

No, especially if you count breaking the various rules dietary and social laws. The 10 Commandments have many physical acts, such as not stealing, committing murder, and so on. Leviticus is filled with dietary laws, and laws of conduct. There are many mental ones, such as when Jesus said to look upon a woman with lust it to commit lust in heart. But Jesus also said is sin to "thou art fool."

 

[Thesavorofpan]

in the end, no....but aren't you really feeling bad for YOURSELF if you hurt someone?sorry<>no, those things will happen....

So guilt equals selfness? I doubt that. I don't believe man is that evil.

 

[BIG D]

And that means they should just be left to get things wrong even if it hurts/kills them ?
You are missing the whole point of why God created mankind.

that's how humans are....you're never going to stop it...there have always been wars/robbery/rape/murder and will be....that is mankind.....

 

[BIG D]

So guilt equals selfness? I doubt that. I don't believe man is that evil.

as in my previous post, there have always been and always will be rape/murder/wars/theft/etc...young males 'naturally' are 'wild'...without restrictions, there would be more of above...