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So it looks like we may be going into Syria (?)

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
Strategically, Assad needs to fall to curtail the rising power of Shia Islam in the Middle east.
Hence Western finance of KSA and terrorism...as long as it doesn't bite them back :rolleyes:
Also, the Russian, Iranian, Syrian bloc is a thorn in the US's side as they are competing interests within OPEC and against the US. Assad needs to fall if the US is going to continue to increase their hegemonic influence within the region.

And as another poster has shown, its all in the matter of securing "interest" and making sure you get what you want. No matter the horrible consequences.

Iran's time will come.
I'd think Americas time will come sooner then any other non imperialistic nation.
 

NicholaiHel

changemymind
Hence Western finance of KSA and terrorism...as long as it doesn't bite them back :rolleyes:

And as another poster has shown, its all in the matter of securing "interest" and making sure you get what you want. No matter the horrible consequences.

Yesssh, and it always does bite the US back.

I'd think Americas time will come sooner then any other non imperialistic nation.

Yet, non imperialistic nations continue to be toppled. Can you elaborate, please.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Breathe said:
Cameron, Mr "We need to cut money everywhere especially against the poor, sick, vulnerable and the working class", thinks going to war with another country is a good idea?

Damn right. There's apparently no money for schools and hospitals, yet we can afford to **** about in the Middle-East?

What happened to "Austerity"? :shrug:
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Are you against the deployment of chemical weapons against the Syrian population?

Don't give me that. People are being slaughtered every day across the world, usually to a blind eye. You wanna go send your kids to Syria so you can feel all smug and heroic? Go ahead.

Otherwise, don't expect other people to send their kids to die overseas.
 

Fletch

Member
Are you against the deployment of chemical weapons against the Syrian population?

I certainly am against it, but I am not certain that the Syrian government is the one deploying them. Our new friends(ever read 1984?), the al Qaeda rebels were caught last time using them to blame on Syria.

Yahoo news talked about this way back in January.

This war was planned years ago, along with Libya and the others. At least the list is getting shorter.

Schools need to teach logic and cui bono.

Fletch

PS In keeping with the George Orwell's 1984's "war is peace" theme, I think Obama should get another Nobel peace prize if we go to war.

PSS See this from WND.
 
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
the west always faking the reasons to attack and occupate Muslims , so because it's civil war .

the lie of chimical weapons , we experiences it in Iraq .


accautly the west want to hit Syrian regime ,not because it's used chimical weapon against his people , because it's in the benefice of Israel .
 

Galen.Iksnudnard

Active Member
accautly the west want to hit Syrian regime ,not because it's used chimical weapon against his people , because it's in the benefice of Israel .

Nice rant. It always amuses me how the Muslims or Jew-haters always blame Israel for everything that goes wrong.

Israel didn't launch chemical weapons at the Syrian people, Assad did. Israel doesn't take away the fundamental human rights of the Syrian people, Assad does. Israel doesn't subject the Syrian people to arbitrary arrest, unfair trials and prolonged detention of suspects, the Assad Regime does. Israel didn't arrest and torture Amina al-Omari, the Syrian police did.

The notion that what Jews do in Israel, in their ancestral homeland, should have any impact whatsoever on "the entire Arab world" is utter nonsense. If a Jew builds a home in Israel, how exactly does this affect the day-to-day life of someone in Marrakesh? If a Jewish person opens a business in Tel-Aviv how does it affect someone in Riyadh? The fundamental problems in the Middle East have NOTHING to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict & everything do with the following problems among your fellow Arabs:

  • Authoritarianism
  • Corruption
  • Economic Inequality
  • Female Genital Mutilation
  • Gender Apartheid
  • Honor Killings
  • Human Rights Violations
  • Illiteracy
  • Religious Apartheid
  • Sectarian Violence

As best I can tell, the people in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Bahrain, Libya, & Yemen aren't rising up in disobedience because they give a **** about Israel or its relationship with the "Palestinians". I'm pretty sure most of them are sick & tired of people like you trying to distract them from their real problems with red herring attacks on the "Zionist state". Pointing the finger at someone else for problems you created by yourselves & for yourselves will never solve anything.
 

Fletch

Member
Nice rant. It always amuses me how the Muslims or Jew-haters always blame Israel for everything that goes wrong.

Israel didn't launch chemical weapons at the Syrian people, Assad did. Israel doesn't take away the fundamental human rights of the Syrian people, Assad does. Israel doesn't subject the Syrian people to arbitrary arrest, unfair trials and prolonged detention of suspects, the Assad Regime does. Israel didn't arrest and torture Amina al-Omari, the Syrian police did.

The notion that what Jews do in Israel, in their ancestral homeland, should have any impact whatsoever on "the entire Arab world" is utter nonsense. If a Jew builds a home in Israel, how exactly does this affect the day-to-day life of someone in Marrakesh? If a Jewish person opens a business in Tel-Aviv how does it affect someone in Riyadh? The fundamental problems in the Middle East have NOTHING to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict & everything do with the following problems among your fellow Arabs:

  • Authoritarianism
  • Corruption
  • Economic Inequality
  • Female Genital Mutilation
  • Gender Apartheid
  • Honor Killings
  • Human Rights Violations
  • Illiteracy
  • Religious Apartheid
  • Sectarian Violence

As best I can tell, the people in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Bahrain, Libya, & Yemen aren't rising up in disobedience because they give a **** about Israel or its relationship with the "Palestinians". I'm pretty sure most of them are sick & tired of people like you trying to distract them from their real problems with red herring attacks on the "Zionist state". Pointing the finger at someone else for problems you created by yourselves & for yourselves will never solve anything.

Any bets that their women will not go to college and will have to wear berkas when we get done with Syria? Any bets it will not quite as good to be Jewish or Christian in Syria when we get done?

I have reaaaaaaaly great doubts Assad used chemical weapons.

Fletch

PS
Israel doesn't subject the Syrian people to arbitrary arrest, unfair trials and prolonged detention of suspects, the Assad Regime does. ...Israel didn't arrest and torture Amina al-Omari, the Syrian police did.
Speaking of everyone these items, did not Obama sign the NDAA on New Years Eve?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Let's look at this way
1. We know for a fact that chemical weapons were used, this has been verified by Doctors Without Borders Source

2. Assad regime says it wasn't them but action by the rebels. Now if that it true what reason for items 2a, and 2b.

2a. Assad regime originally attempted to delay UN inspectors into the area: Source

2b. Assad regime continued to shell suspected area, possibly attempting to destroy evidence. From link in item #2

Now if the Assad regime did not conduct the chemical attack why would they attempt to cover up the evidence (item 2a) and attempt to delay UN inspectors into the site (Item 2b)
 

Galen.Iksnudnard

Active Member
Any bets that their women will not go to college and will have to wear berkas when we get done with Syria? Any bets it will not quite as good to be Jewish or Christian in Syria when we get done?

In the case of Iraq, all of the bad things you mention were already there, it was just that Saddam's regime effectively covered them up.

As for Jews in Syria, the Jewish community there is quite small since a lot of Jewish people moved back when Israel was founded. Many Jews also fled from Syria to Palestine during the anti-Jewish riots of 1947, but had to go to America.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Iran said today if we attack Syria, they will attack Israel. I heard this on NPR.
By any chance did they indicate if this would be a overt military action, which I highly doubt since they don't have the assets to do so or by direct or indirect terrorist linked attacks?
 
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