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Socialists may have the same mentality as Nazis: that people must be enslaved
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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I was also asking questions. You can't even answer questions?
Are you suggesting that there's something about "socialism," in and of itself, which turns an ordinary human being into some murderous, dictatorial scoundrel?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
They are MAGA now. See where I am going here? This absolutism is what prevents MAGA from seeing the nuances you and I see.
Your questions are often rhetorical or
embedded in a wall of text that doesn't
inspire wading thru.
Have any that you really want answered?
I'm not suggesting anything.
I'm stating (in short) that socialism has a historical record
of always being authoritarian & economically weak.
No. Why make the discussion
about absolutism of Magas?
OK.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you have solved the induction problem in epistemology?
Why do you believe it's a problem?
Democratic socialism doesn't enslave anybody.
And by the way , communism is different than socialism.
And by the way , communism is different than socialism.
This thread is about socialism...the kind
without a prefix that changes the meaning.
You don't say!
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Because you could run into in effect "no black swans". You do know what the induction problem is, right?
I don't see a problem.
Inductive reasoning is useful.
Everyone knows it doesn't yield THE TRUTH.
To paraphrase Dirty Harry....
"A method's got to know its limitations."
Is it necessary to quote George Box too?
All models are wrong - Wikipedia
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
We need a companion thread to the anti-capitalist one.
Every time socialism has been tried, eg, USSR, N Korea,
Khmer Rouge, China, the populace has been oppressed,
enslaved, purged, & starved. Despite this fervent fans
of socialism want yet again to put government in total
control of the means of production.
Okay so you decide whether a country is socialist or not...
The others cannot...
And you plead the fifth, when someone asks you for clarifications.
Great.
Nothing good starts out with such mischief.
Get a dictionary. Use it.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
@Revoltingest
Here is a joke, which is on you:
Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. (Oxford Languages and so for all other defintions)
Trade: the action of buying and selling goods and services.
Service: the action of helping or doing work for someone.
Doing work as a policeman, is paid by private owners for profit as that is how capitalism works and the USA is a capitalistic country with no case of non-capitilism for any industry or trade including doing a service for money.
That holds for the health service, police, fire, courts, education, roads and so on.
Further there are no regulations at all as the trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.
Let me give you a piece of advice. Actually look at reality and you can't observe capitalism as per that defintion
Here is a joke, which is on you:
Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit. (Oxford Languages and so for all other defintions)
Trade: the action of buying and selling goods and services.
Service: the action of helping or doing work for someone.
Doing work as a policeman, is paid by private owners for profit as that is how capitalism works and the USA is a capitalistic country with no case of non-capitilism for any industry or trade including doing a service for money.
That holds for the health service, police, fire, courts, education, roads and so on.
Further there are no regulations at all as the trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.
Let me give you a piece of advice. Actually look at reality and you can't observe capitalism as per that defintion
Debating with you is impossible.
You affirm something and refuse to answer simple questions.
Yet you started a thread in the debates section, just to try to "emulate" my thread.
Great. Just great.
I don't get the joke.
And cops aren't "the means of production".
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
They are paid to do a service as in trade by the definition. And all trade is covered by capitalism.
Read the definitions!!!
I'm trying to converse, not debate.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Socialism is like a return to a monarchy. You end up with a ruling class while the majority become serfs and peasants. If you could guarantee being part of the ruling class, then sure Socialism would be excellent for you. But the vast majority of people become stuck at the peasant class, with basic needs met, but little room for the upward mobility of the innovative spirit. There is no incentive to work hard to get ahead, since others will slack and/or you will hit a wall.
Since the game is controlled and even rigged by the ruling class, for the ruling class to retain power, many in the ruling class do not have to earn/deserve what they have. They often get paranoid, especially by those who will not stay put as a peasant. Historical there is a re-education and/or purge to lower the paranoia. VP Harris was anointed to run for President without all the competition and foot stomping that would have helped to groom her for the tough job. She is similar to way of the Socialism hierarchy. It is who you know and not your skills. It is about power and not skill. She can wave the magic wand, screw things up and the State run media; fake news, will make it smell like roses. This has all the earmarks of a Socialist hierarchy.
Capitalism is based on the premise you can go as far as your will and your abilities, and you get to keep what you earn. There is more incentive to work harder. Therefore, you are not stuck as a peasant, but can still stay there is you like. VP Candidate Vance started in poverty and a broken home. In a Socialist country he may have stalled there, since he had no contacts to help anoint him. He rose up through the ranks with talent and hard work. He still pushes each day on the campaign trail, learning about the needs of the people, which will make him a better VP. This is unlike Socialist Harris and Walz who can be can hidden, protected and inflated by massaging propaganda, due to being an insider.
Trump is disliked by the Socialist Democrat Party, since he epitomizes the Capitalists. He criticizes the incompetence and crookedness of the US Socialist ruling class. That ruling class cannot show him up with their actions for the country. They need to use old Soviet style tactics. That is due to the common socialist paranoia. In the opening night of DNC Convention, the various speaker said Trump names about 100 times. He is in their head and the sound Trump brings out the angry paranoia rants common to Socialist leadership.
Socialism places almost everyone in a hole; peasants, to create the illusion incompetent leadership has risen above. Far fewer skills are needed to run a socialist country since it is more basic and homogenized. Capitalism, by allowing people to climb out of the holes, makes incompetent leadership nervous, since this has an impact on the illusion of leadership prestige, that they try to create; looks presidential.
In Capitalism, the donor class rules, with the leaders often becoming mercenaries, hired with campaign donations, unless the leader comes from the donor class, then he is the big dog over all. This is why Socialism will try to control business to get rid of the donor class competition. If they are successful and control business then can just steal the money, and not have to quid pro quo to retain power. Fidel Castro in Cuba became a billionaire on a civil servant salary. That is the nature of the socialist hierarchy. In Minnesota, under Walz, about $ half a Billion was stolen from the COVID fund. This was common in the socialist leadership states.
Since the game is controlled and even rigged by the ruling class, for the ruling class to retain power, many in the ruling class do not have to earn/deserve what they have. They often get paranoid, especially by those who will not stay put as a peasant. Historical there is a re-education and/or purge to lower the paranoia. VP Harris was anointed to run for President without all the competition and foot stomping that would have helped to groom her for the tough job. She is similar to way of the Socialism hierarchy. It is who you know and not your skills. It is about power and not skill. She can wave the magic wand, screw things up and the State run media; fake news, will make it smell like roses. This has all the earmarks of a Socialist hierarchy.
Capitalism is based on the premise you can go as far as your will and your abilities, and you get to keep what you earn. There is more incentive to work harder. Therefore, you are not stuck as a peasant, but can still stay there is you like. VP Candidate Vance started in poverty and a broken home. In a Socialist country he may have stalled there, since he had no contacts to help anoint him. He rose up through the ranks with talent and hard work. He still pushes each day on the campaign trail, learning about the needs of the people, which will make him a better VP. This is unlike Socialist Harris and Walz who can be can hidden, protected and inflated by massaging propaganda, due to being an insider.
Trump is disliked by the Socialist Democrat Party, since he epitomizes the Capitalists. He criticizes the incompetence and crookedness of the US Socialist ruling class. That ruling class cannot show him up with their actions for the country. They need to use old Soviet style tactics. That is due to the common socialist paranoia. In the opening night of DNC Convention, the various speaker said Trump names about 100 times. He is in their head and the sound Trump brings out the angry paranoia rants common to Socialist leadership.
Socialism places almost everyone in a hole; peasants, to create the illusion incompetent leadership has risen above. Far fewer skills are needed to run a socialist country since it is more basic and homogenized. Capitalism, by allowing people to climb out of the holes, makes incompetent leadership nervous, since this has an impact on the illusion of leadership prestige, that they try to create; looks presidential.
In Capitalism, the donor class rules, with the leaders often becoming mercenaries, hired with campaign donations, unless the leader comes from the donor class, then he is the big dog over all. This is why Socialism will try to control business to get rid of the donor class competition. If they are successful and control business then can just steal the money, and not have to quid pro quo to retain power. Fidel Castro in Cuba became a billionaire on a civil servant salary. That is the nature of the socialist hierarchy. In Minnesota, under Walz, about $ half a Billion was stolen from the COVID fund. This was common in the socialist leadership states.
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