Solution to homosexuals is by government executions according to Pastor.

[samtonga43]

Nothing new, look at the crusades. Papal Armies, Medievil burnings at the stake, hateful teachings in the Bible, God destroyed almost all with floods, killing babies in Egypt, teachings of ways to treat slaves.
Follow Jesus or go to hell.
Disgusting history not just now

Oh, come on! Let's show some positivity. Have you not heard of the many Christians helping out in war zones, in groups like Christian Aid, Tearfund, Salvation Army, World Vision, Beyond the Streets etc etc.
?

 

[Ashoka]

Oh, come on! Let's show some positivity. Have you not heard of the many Christians helping out in war zones, in groups like Christian Aid, Tearfund, Salvation Army, World Vision, Beyond the Streets etc etc.
?

The salvation army is incredibly homophobic and transphobic.

World Vision takes in most of the donations that are given for the company, and suffers from the "white savior complex"

Not sure about the other ones, but wouldn't be surprised to see that there is some kind of "catch" i.e. you must believe and convert before we help you.

 

[Ashoka]

How do you know people are not naturally hateful intolerant bigots? I think Christianity is what can cure person from hatefulness.

History shows that to be a lie.

 

[samtonga43]

The salvation army is incredibly homophobic and transphobic.

Really? This is not my experience. Do you have evidence?

World Vision takes in most of the donations that are given for the company, and suffers from the "white savior complex"

I found this: https://www.worldvision.org.uk/about/how-donations-are-spent/
Can you provide evidence for your claim?

Not sure about the other ones, but wouldn't be surprised to see that there is some kind of "catch" i.e. you must believe and convert before we help you.

I think you will be surprised, actually. There is no catch.
Maybe you just do not believe that Christians could possibly get together to help others less fortunate. Or maybe you're just negative about life in general... ?

We know and, to some extent realise, the love of God for us because Christ expressed it in laying down his life for us. We must in turn express our love by laying down our lives for those who are our brothers. But as for the well-to-do man who sees his brothers in want but shuts his eyes—and his heart—how could anyone believe that the love of God lives in him? My children, let us not love merely in theory or in words—let us love in sincerity and in practice!
1John 3: 16-18
J.B. Phillips N.T.

 

[Ashoka]

Really? This is not my experience. Do you have evidence?

In addition to having friends of mine turned away for being trans and gay, the Salvation Army has a history of discrimination against the LGBT community. They have "changed" their stance in recent years, claiming they serve everyone, but if that were the case, why are gay and trans people being turned away? It also doesn't take away the damage they've done in the past.

The backlash against the Salvation Army, explained

I found this: https://www.worldvision.org.uk/about/how-donations-are-spent/
Can you provide evidence for your claim?

Fair enough.

At any rate, I don't trust missionary organizations, but that's just me.

I did find this, however. Granted, it's not originally about what we had discussed, but it does go over some of the issues I also have with the organization, as well as organizations like Compassion International.

A World Vision Donor Sponsored a Boy. The Outcome Was a Mystery to Both. (Published 2016)

World Vision accused of corruption, nepotism

CityNews

Maybe you just do not believe that Christians could possibly get together to help others less fortunate. Or maybe you're just negative about life in general... ?

Actually I'm a pretty positive person. I'm just negative about Christianity. With Christians, there's always a catch. Compassion coming with the hopes that you will convert. Or, turning away people they deem as "sinful."

 

[paradox]

"government generally may subject religious persons and organizations to neutral, generally applicable laws—e.g., across-the-board criminal prohibitions or certain time, place, and manner restrictions on speech"

"except to the extent that such speech becomes excessive or harassing."

You as a lawyer would obviously lose the case in a court, this obviously doesn't apply to this unfortunate pastor since he obviously doesn't call on unlawful execution but rather ask government to do *eliminate* (not execute) them legally.

Hate manifests in various ways and one way that is enabling it strongly is apathy or even denialism, like someone just saying they think gays are an abomination is not the same as this pastor saying they should be executed

You sound like you didn't watch the video or read the article at all, nowhere in the video does he call on unlawful execution, he doesn't even use the word "execution" at all in video:

Here is quote from article since you ignore facts (see bold):

In a Sunday sermon titled "Why We Won't Shut Up," Awes of Stedfast Baptist Church said that "every single" gay person in America should be executed by the government.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Let me open your eyes, you have to look both way not just toward gay people.
This thread is full of stereotyping BS against Christianity, don't you see?

So, you're just, what? Getting atheists back by negatively stereotyping gay people? How does that work?
Or is this just another attempt at deflection?

And you say he does, and you entirely agree??

Is there some reason you won't answer questions posed to you?

You have 16 pages to browse backwards, you don't have to take my word, starting with OP which says

+
@SkepticThinker
I boldened a portion so that you SEE, don't you SEE?

So you're upset because you think Christians are being stereotyped, so you went ahead and stereotyped gay people ... why?
This doesn't make any sense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Isn't it just the next alphabet added to the string of letters? People are already speaking in a way that it will be normalized and accepted. And by what I know, pedophiles can be also heterosexual. So that is not just a gay thing.

So the answer is yes, you did just try to smuggle pedophiles into this discussion about homosexuality. Why did you do that?

This is a tired old argument used where you think smuggling in pedophilia allows you to equate it with homosexuality in order to demonize and marginalize gay people. And I'm not having it because it's dishonest nonsense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Really? This is not my experience. Do you have evidence?


I found this: https://www.worldvision.org.uk/about/how-donations-are-spent/
Can you provide evidence for your claim?


I think you will be surprised, actually. There is no catch.
Maybe you just do not believe that Christians could possibly get together to help others less fortunate. Or maybe you're just negative about life in general... ?

We know and, to some extent realise, the love of God for us because Christ expressed it in laying down his life for us. We must in turn express our love by laying down our lives for those who are our brothers. But as for the well-to-do man who sees his brothers in want but shuts his eyes—and his heart—how could anyone believe that the love of God lives in him? My children, let us not love merely in theory or in words—let us love in sincerity and in practice!
1John 3: 16-18
J.B. Phillips N.T.

I think you've just exposed the "catch" for us ... you have to allow yourself to be preached to first.

 

[paradox]

Is there some reason you won't answer questions posed to you?

My counter question carries information which indirectly answers the question.

So you're upset because you think Christians are being stereotyped

Why do you think I think? There is no need for you to think anything since I presented a proof for you.

so you went ahead and stereotyped gay people ... why?

Didn't I already tell you why in my post #298?

This doesn't make any sense.

What exactly does not make sense? lol I've used CAPS LOCK so that you see better yet you deliberately refuse to see.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You as a lawyer would obviously lose the case in a court, this obviously doesn't apply to this unfortunate pastor since he obviously doesn't call on unlawful execution but rather ask government to do *eliminate* (not execute) them legally.

So you're saying it's not hate speech because the pastor implored for gay people to be executed "legally" rather than illegally?
How about the part where he thinks an entire group of people should be killed by the government?

You sound like you didn't watch the video or read the article at all, nowhere in the video does he call on unlawful execution, he doesn't even use the word "execution" at all in video:

Here is quote from article since you ignore facts (see bold):

In a Sunday sermon titled "Why We Won't Shut Up," Awes of Stedfast Baptist Church said that "every single" gay person in America should be executed by the government.

So you just said he didn't say execution and then gave us a quote from the article with the word execution in it. What was your point there?

Do you think gay people should be executed by anyone? Do you think this Pastor's speech is hateful?

 

[paradox]

So you just said he didn't say execution and then gave us a quote from the article with the word execution in it. What was your point there?

Can you point to portion of video where he calls on "execution"?

Do you think gay people should be executed by anyone? Do you think this Pastor's speech is hateful?

This is not about what I think, but rather about false accusations against this pastor.
@muichimotsu claims he broke the law but is unable to prove it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My counter question carries information which indirectly answers the question.

I'm wondering why you don't directly answer the question.

Also, you didn't answer my question about what your goal is in stereotyping gay people. You just skipped over it instead.

Why do you think I think? There is no need for you to think anything since I presented a proof for you.

That was a question, posed to investigate further into what you think. But I can't do that if you refuse to answer any and all questions posed to you.

Also, you didn't provide proof. You just told me to "browse back over the last 16 pages and provided one quote from one poster who was wondering about the unusual amount of hate going on in Christianity, Which I guess you could say is a generalization, but it's not a stereotype, which is what I'm talking about. But again, pointing out why someone else is doing a thing doesn't do anything to explain why you're doing a thing. So I'm still left wondering what you're attempting to achieve by stereotyping gay people.

Didn't I already tell you why in my post #298?

No, you haven't answered any of my questions.

What exactly does not make sense? lol I've used CAPS LOCK so that you see better yet you deliberately refuse to see.

But you couldn't be bothered to answer my question again.
I can see it just fine in regular print, thanks.

Here's the question, again:

So you're upset because you think Christians are being stereotyped, so you went ahead and stereotyped gay people ... why?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Can you point to portion of video where he calls on "execution"?

We're addressing your words and actions right now, as in, the ones you just typed to me.

This is not about what I think, but rather about false accusations against this pastor.

@muichimotsu claims he broke the law but is unable to prove it.

It's about what you think when I ask you a direct question about what you think. It's kind of alarming at this point that you still refuse to answer it.

Here are some quotes taken directly from the article:

"What does God say is the answer, is the solution, for the homosexual in 2022, here in the New Testament, here in the Book of Romans?" Awes asked. "That they are worthy of death! These people should be put to death!"

"Every single homosexual in our country should be charged with the crime, the abomination of homosexuality, that they have," he continued. "They should be convicted in a lawful trial. They should be sentenced with death."

"They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head! That's what God teaches. That's what the Bible says," the pastor said. "You don't like it? You don't like God's word, because that is what God says."


So, my next question that you probably won’t answer is, how is this pastor being “falsely accused” and misrepresented?[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[paradox]

You just told me to "browse back over the last 16 pages and provided one quote from one poster who was wondering about the unusual amount of hate going on in Christianity, Which I guess you could say is a generalization, but it's not a stereotype

You're certainly wrong:

In social psychology, a stereotype is a generalized belief about a particular category of people.

Stereotype - Wikipedia

Also, you didn't provide proof.

Proof of stereotyping against Christians:

Is it me, or is there an unusual amount of hate going on in Christianity today?

Whole thread continues in stereotyping fashion, sorry but if you're unable to see it for yourself then you must be having some kind of cognitive issues.

No, you haven't answered any of my questions.

No, rather you're ignoring my answers, but why should I bother to browse this thread back and repost my answers if you ignore them?

Also, you didn't answer my question about what your goal is in stereotyping gay people.

Please quote your post where you asked this question to let us prove that you never asked this question.

 

[paradox]

We're addressing your words and actions right now, as in, the ones you just typed to me.

No. let's first address the portion of video where this pastor calls on execution then we'll get back to your questions.

"What does God say is the answer, is the solution, for the homosexual in 2022, here in the New Testament, here in the Book of Romans?" Awes asked. "That they are worthy of death! These people should be put to death!"

"Every single homosexual in our country should be charged with the crime, the abomination of homosexuality, that they have," he continued. "They should be convicted in a lawful trial. They should be sentenced with death."

"They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head! That's what God teaches. That's what the Bible says," the pastor said. "You don't like it? You don't like God's word, because that is what God says."

What the article says is not proof of anything, I care only about video where one can clearly hear and see this pastor saying this,
therefore if you want to prove anything, let me know the point in (@minute:second format) of the video.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You're certainly wrong:

Stereotype - Wikipedia

The poster said, "Is it me, or is there an unusual amount of hate going on in Christianity today?”

That's a question. In a thread where a Pastor (i.e. a religious LEADER) is talking about how gay people should be executed.


Notice how he didn’t say, “Christians are hateful awful people that hate everyone.”


And of course, that’s just one “proof” as you call it. In an entire 16-page thread.


And it still doesn’t answer my question or explain why you are stereotyping gay people.

Proof of stereotyping against Christians:


Whole thread continues in stereotyping fashion, sorry but if you're unable to see it for yourself then you must be having some kind of cognitive issues.

One quote doesn’t equate to an entire thread.


Cognitive issues, eh? You gave me one quote, from an entire 16 page thread, claiming that the thread is filled with stereotyping against Christians, and I’m the one with the cognitive issues? Okay then.


And you still haven’t answered my question about your stereotyping of gay people and why you’re doing it.

No, rather you're ignoring my answers, but why should I bother to browse this thread back and repost my answers if you ignore them?

You’re just parroting my comments now … ?

Please quote your post where you asked this question to let us prove that you never asked this question.

For real? I’ve asked it about 5 times now, in my last three or four posts to you, at least.

 

[paradox]

The poster said, "Is it me, or is there an unusual amount of hate going on in Christianity today?”
That's a question. In a thread where a Pastor (i.e. a religious LEADER) is talking about how gay people should be executed.
Notice how he didn’t say, “Christians are hateful awful people that hate everyone.”

"Is it me" clearly states an opinion, the rest of the question explain what the opinion is.

One quote doesn’t equate to an entire thread.

No but it's a start, do you really want to me quote all posts that go in same fashion?

And you still haven’t answered my question about your stereotyping of gay people and why you’re doing it.

And it still doesn’t answer my question or explain why you are stereotyping gay people.

For the second time I gave the answer in my post #298

yes I'm stereotyping because stereotyping is obviously the language of gay people and gay supporters as you can see for yourself in this thread.

For real? I’ve asked it about 5 times now, in my last three or four posts to you, at least.

Yes for real, why don't you give reference to post number to prove me wrong? it is so hard? am I asking too much?
Note that your question must precede post #333 which is where you claimed to be asking this question.

And btw you ignored my post #336

 

[ppp]

yes I'm stereotyping because stereotyping is obviously the language of gay people and gay supporters as you can see for yourself in this thread.

Well that's not true. But even if it were true that would not be a good reason.

 

[paradox]

Well that's not true. But even if it were true that would not be a good reason.

Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia