Some Mormon missionaries tried to talk to me.

[Revoltingest]

So they're approaching the conversation assuming they're infallible.

Exactly!
(Although just in the context of spiritual discernment.)

... and you don't think this is bad faith?

"Blind faith", which is a "bad idea" IMO.

Ref....
Bad faith - Wikipedia

 

[viole]

It was awkward. They never bothered with me before. Missionaries usually steer clear of me but there's usually a couple of Mormons riding the bus and walking around my area.

They noticed my Thor's Hammer pendant and asked what it was. I told them and one only thought of the damn comic book character, which made me a bit offended and is not the way to start a religious discussion with me. The other knew a bit more. Then they asked if I believe in "Norse mythology". I said yes and they tried to ask me what It's about, to me. I shut them down by telling them I wasn't interested in discussing religion. Then they tried to make small talk but I wasn't interested in that, either. Was pretty uncomfortable.

They also asked about my friend I was with,hat her name was and if she was interested in speaking with them, but she was smart enough to walk away from them in the first place and get on the phone with her mom. I soon joined her.

Strange. I am no fan of missionaries of any religion, whether it's the bigoted black Hebrew loons, Christians or Muslims. I have no plans or desire to return to any Abrahamic religion. I don't like it when they try to pretend they're interested in you as a person when they're truly not. It's so fake. Mormons are nice enough, but it's still sad, imo.

Next time they ask you if you believe in Thor, ask them if the believe in magic underwear.

No matter what brand of God those missionaries believe in, you can always find something ridicolous and hit them with that Thor Hammer.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

They asked me "do you know what suffering is?"

I would have replied: no, but you shall if you do not disappear.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

What is really disgusting is when heathens try to make fun of people who have religious beliefs.

I have always wondered why.

I mean, you have God on your side, and you are, I assume, confident to be right, so why do you care? You must think "Lord, they do not know what they do". Or do they?

I personally feel no emotional reaction at all if anyone makes fun of my beliefs, or lack thereof. I actually slightly chuckle when they do.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Katzpur]

Next time they ask you if you believe in Thor, ask them if the believe in magic underwear.

And they'll tell you "no" every time, because they don't.

 

[viole]

And they'll tell you "no" every time, because they don't.

Allright.

What about asking them whether Sitting Bull used expression like "meshuggah" when addressing other people? You know, being Jewish and all.



Ciao

- viole

 

[Akivah]

I personally feel no emotional reaction at all if anyone makes fun of my beliefs, or lack thereof. I actually slightly chuckle when they do.

Most of the things that xian missionaries have to say to me is either funny or insulting.

 

[Katzpur]

Allright.

What about asking them whether Sitting Bull used expression like "meshuggah" when addressing other people? You know, being Jewish and all.



Ciao

- viole

Nope. Sorry, I don't.

 

[viole]

Most of the things that xian missionaries have to say to me is either funny or insulting.

Can you make an example? Something insulting which is not funny? I honestly cannot think of one.

Apart from the insult (to our intelligence) that is entailed by the assumption that we might believe what they say, of course.

But on second thought, that is not an insult, either. They just shoot in the dark, hoping to get the right guy.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Katzpur]

It was awkward. They never bothered with me before. Missionaries usually steer clear of me but there's usually a couple of Mormons riding the bus and walking around my area.

They noticed my Thor's Hammer pendant and asked what it was. I told them and one only thought of the damn comic book character, which made me a bit offended and is not the way to start a religious discussion with me. The other knew a bit more. Then they asked if I believe in "Norse mythology". I said yes and they tried to ask me what It's about, to me. I shut them down by telling them I wasn't interested in discussing religion. Then they tried to make small talk but I wasn't interested in that, either. Was pretty uncomfortable.

They also asked about my friend I was with,hat her name was and if she was interested in speaking with them, but she was smart enough to walk away from them in the first place and get on the phone with her mom. I soon joined her.

Strange. I am no fan of missionaries of any religion, whether it's the bigoted black Hebrew loons, Christians or Muslims. I have no plans or desire to return to any Abrahamic religion. I don't like it when they try to pretend they're interested in you as a person when they're truly not. It's so fake. Mormons are nice enough, but it's still sad, imo.

Sorry you had that experience, Frank.

 

[viole]

Nope. Sorry, I don't.

But you believe that Sitting Bull family was Jewish, right?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Katzpur]

But you believe that Sitting Bull family was Jewish, right?

Ciao

- viole

No. You oversimplify a lot. You know that, don't you?

 

[viole]

No. You oversimplify a lot. You know that, don't you?

Possibly. I am a mathematician, and as such I like to simplify as much as possible.

I know I am not an expert of the tenets of the LSD Church, but I would like to learn.

So, Sitting Bull did not belong to some Jewish lost tribe? What about Geronimo?

Ciao

- viole

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

from the missionary's perspective, they're basically trying to save your life. Can't hate that.

Sure you can. They think that they're "saving your life", but only because they haven't looked carefully enough.

It's like this: They see a man about to jump from a cliff. Being fearful people, they immediately assume the worst, and try to stop him. They don't notice, however, that he's only BASE jumping, and has all the gear necessary to enjoy the experience. Are they right, to deny another enjoyment of his life based on their fears?

 

[YmirGF]

Missionaries soon get over their desire to minister after a few short minutes with me.

 

[Katzpur]

Possibly. I am a mathematician, and as such I like to simplify as much as possible.

I know I am not an expert of the tenets of LSD church, but I would like to learn.

So, Sitting Bull did not belong to some Jewish lost tribe? What about Geronimo?

Ciao

- viole

Mormons believe that a group of a couple of dozen Israelites immigrated to the American continent in about 600 B.C. and that they are among the ancestors of some of America's indigenous tribes. For starters, this small group of people from Israel were not part of a "lost tribe." Secondly, within a relatively short time, they intermarried with the many people who already occupied the American continent when they arrived, so you would definitely not expect to see any pure Hebrew blood lines among the American Indians of today. It's possible that Sitting Bull's hundredth great-grandfather was of Jewish descent, but to assume that he belonged to some Jewish lost tribe is really very illogical.

The question to be argued really isn't, "Are today's Native Americans of Middle-eastern ancestry?", but "Is it possible that a small family from the Middle-east could have settled on the already populated American continent 2600 years ago and left no genetic evidence of their existence?" Genetic drift alone would explain how Lehi's (the central figure at the beginning of the Book of Mormon story) haplogroup would almost certainly have disappeared after just a few generations. If Lehi and his family had arrived on an empty continent, it would be a different matter entirely, but we know that wasn't the case.

Lineages simply disappear over time. There can be a tremendous discrepancy between the DNA of people who lived 300 years ago and the people who live now. One very good example of this is found in the "deCODE Project" in Iceland. Recent research shows that the vast majority of today's Icelanders are descended from a tiny percentage of people who lived less than 300 years ago. Many people living there as recently as the mid-1700s have no genetic lineages represented in Iceland's population today.

 

[viole]

Mormons believe that a group of a couple of dozen Israelites immigrated to the American continent in about 600 B.C. and that they are among the ancestors of some of America's indigenous tribes. For starters, this small group of people from Israel were not part of a "lost tribe." Secondly, within a relatively short time, they intermarried with the many people who already occupied the American continent when they arrived, so you would definitely not expect to see any pure Hebrew blood lines among the American Indians of today. It's possible that Sitting Bull's hundredth great-grandfather was of Jewish descent, but to assume that he belonged to some Jewish lost tribe is really very illogical.

The question to be argued really isn't, "Are today's Native Americans of Middle-eastern ancestry?", but "Is it possible that a small family from the Middle-east could have settled on the already populated American continent 2600 years ago and left no genetic evidence of their existence?" Genetic drift alone would explain how Lehi's (the central figure at the beginning of the Book of Mormon story) haplogroup would almost certainly have disappeared after just a few generations. If Lehi and his family had arrived on an empty continent, it would be a different matter entirely, but we know that wasn't the case.

Lineages simply disappear over time. There can be a tremendous discrepancy between the DNA of people who lived 300 years ago and the people who live now. One very good example of this is found in the "deCODE Project" in Iceland. Recent research shows that the vast majority of today's Icelanders are descended from a tiny percentage of people who lived less than 300 years ago. Many people living there as recently as the mid-1700s have no genetic lineages represented in Iceland's population today.

Alright. But why do you believe that? I mean, it is not really in the mainstream. There must be some good reason to come out with this idea, since there is no scientific evidence that supports it.

Sure, it is possible. It is also possible that a few Australian natives settlled there and got their blood diluted beyond recognition. It is also possible that we originate from some sperms coming from Andromeda. Many things are possible.

Is there some theological angle?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

If I believed in Thor & all the attendant mythology, the best thing to do would be to
play it straight. There's no need to challenge or belittle the visitors.....just amaze
them with something they never expected. A good time will be had by all.

 

[Nakosis]

It was awkward. They never bothered with me before. Missionaries usually steer clear of me but there's usually a couple of Mormons riding the bus and walking around my area.

They noticed my Thor's Hammer pendant and asked what it was. I told them and one only thought of the damn comic book character, which made me a bit offended and is not the way to start a religious discussion with me. The other knew a bit more. Then they asked if I believe in "Norse mythology". I said yes and they tried to ask me what It's about, to me. I shut them down by telling them I wasn't interested in discussing religion. Then they tried to make small talk but I wasn't interested in that, either. Was pretty uncomfortable.

They also asked about my friend I was with,hat her name was and if she was interested in speaking with them, but she was smart enough to walk away from them in the first place and get on the phone with her mom. I soon joined her.

Strange. I am no fan of missionaries of any religion, whether it's the bigoted black Hebrew loons, Christians or Muslims. I have no plans or desire to return to any Abrahamic religion. I don't like it when they try to pretend they're interested in you as a person when they're truly not. It's so fake. Mormons are nice enough, but it's still sad, imo.

What? You didn't try to covert them to Heathenry?
Missed opportunity there...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What? You didn't try to covert them to Heathenry?
Missed opportunity there...

Lol. If I did, I wouldn't use that language as Odin is hardly a savior deity or even a "lord" type as typically understood. He can actually be rather dark and pretty frightening, as he rules over certain unrestrained forces in life.