Some Mormon missionaries tried to talk to me.

[Saint Frankenstein]

So more like Lucifer.

Lucifer is a Roman deity of the dawn. Him and Odin have nothing to do with each other. Odin is a deity of unrestrained fury, exploration and wisdom. He is the embodiment of the Will to Power, to put it one way. He is the force of unrestrained primal life.

 

[Desert Snake]

Lucifer is a Roman deity of the dawn. Him and Odin have nothing to do with each other. Odin is a deity of unrestrained fury, exploration and wisdom. He is the embodiment of the Will to Power, to put it one way. He is the force of unrestrained primal life.

Yes, this is the same as non-theistic Satanism, they just took the deity idea out of their religious writings. They use 'satan' to represent the idea. Luciferianism is the same. Some is theistic, some isn't. You could have written Lucifer there, or Satan, and written the same statement.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, this is the same as non-theistic Satanism, they just took the deity idea out of their religious writings. They use use 'satan' to represent the idea. Luciferianism is the same. Some is theistic, some isn't. You could have written Lucifer there, or Satan, and written the same statement.

The problem with that is that Satanists make Satan whatever they want it to be. The concept is so vague that Satan can be viewed in whatever way you please or syncreticized with any deity or figure. So that's an irrelevent comment. Odin, on the other hand, is a definite concept from a particular set of cultures. I am not a Satanist or use Abrahamic concepts.

 

[David1967]

Did you miss the part where I said they were missionaries? It's just a lead-in so they can try to convert you. They do it with everyone.

Its kinda what missionaries do.

 

[savagewind]

Its kinda what missionaries do.

And......the question.......of the millennium is.......WHY do they do it?

 

[David1967]

And......the question.......of the millennium is.......WHY do they do it?

To win people to their faith.

 

[savagewind]

To win people to their faith.

Yes, I know, but where did they get the idea that is it God's will that they do that?

 

[David1967]

But when I get uninvited guests from government, asking my family questions about any recent construction or what I do there, I'm less polite. I sternly explain they should ***** ****** ******* ****** & get their *** ****** ***** ***** because ***** ***** ***** & they ****** ******* ***** ****** their mother's ***** **** in the ***** ***** ********. As they leave I follow them closely to their vehicle, continuing the 'discussion'. These predatory ******* ***** ********* don't deserve the courtesy I give innocents. Fortunately, this happens far less often.

As you should! Carry on.

 

[David1967]

Yes, I know, but where did they get the idea that is it God's will that they do that?

Matt. 28: 18-20. I believe that is why any Christian denomination sends out missionaries.

 

[savagewind]

Matt. 28: 18-20. I believe that is why any Christian denomination sends out missionaries.

Oh! Good! Make is added there, FYI Did you not know that? I wonder why you do not know that?

 

[David1967]

Oh! Good! Make is added there, FYI Did you not know that? I wonder why you do not know that?

Didn't know what? I'm not sure what you are asking.

 

[Callisto]

But you wont name yours?

Huh? What does my naming deities have to do with anything? If not knowing is keeping you up at night, I have quite a few, see here. Make a cup of your favorite beverage and happy reading.

 

[james bond]

First thing I thought of was this.

 

[Callisto]

This is my strategy as well. It's always pleasant. Helps to know a bit about how the missionary process works, but they'll tell you if you ask..

Same here. In my experience, even though they introduce themselves as Sister (or Brother) So n' So, they appreciate someone who isn't interested not brushing them off as "those mormons" but remains nice and even willing to chat.

 

[Vinayaka]

Same here. In my experience, even though they introduce themselves as Sister (or Brother) So n' So, they appreciate someone who isn't interested not brushing them off as "those mormons" but remains nice and even willing to chat.

They're kids. I gained huge compassion when one chap was just wishing to go home. (I heard him mumbling to himself across the fence) It's two years alone, in a strange place, not much contact with family, constant changes, not knowing those changes, overt negative reactions to proselytizing, very little money, and more. He confided to me that the proselytising bit he could have done without, happy to do the stuff within his church. Compared to your average 18 year old in the west, these kids are saints. No booze, no drugs, a focus on character building. They're role models.

Yes, when you get down to the nitty gritty philosophy, I have huge differences, obviously, I'm a Hindu, lol.

 

[SomeRandom]

I get two little old lady Jehova's Witnesses who give me their little booklet thingy every week. My mother is far too polite to reject it. So we just sort of tolerate them.
The really annoying ones are the ones who proselytize you whilst you're at work. It's just like, let me do my job in peace. I mean, rude much?
Though to be fair there is a group of missionary kids who come into my shop every week and do not proselytize anyone trying to serve them.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

If I believed in Thor & all the attendant mythology, the best thing to do would be to
play it straight. There's no need to challenge or belittle the visitors.....just amaze them with something they never expected. A good time will be had by all.

From personal experience, that doesn't work either. They continue to assume it's just a fandom, a "fad", or a passing fancy. And it usually ends with awkwardly being handed more useless literature.

You are right that there is no need - at first - to belittle them. "Challenge" depends largely on what the individual takes as a challenge; to some, merely disbelieving in their god is a challenge. But neither is the best thing to do lying down and taking the schpeal. Nothing requires us to do so, or to remain polite when we are "visited" day after day.

What? You didn't try to covert them to Heathenry? Missed opportunity there...

Why? If we oppose proselytization and conversion efforts, why would we resort to the same? If someone is called to the Gods, let them listen and come to them, and we will welcome to our kindreds.

Odin is a deity of unrestrained fury, exploration and wisdom.

To clarify this - as it's a point of some confusion - when Odin is described as "furious", it's not meant to say that he is angry or wrathful. It is meant in the manner of high passion, as in he "furiously seeks knowledge".

You could have written Lucifer there, or Satan, and written the same statement.

As he has said, Odin is not Lucifer or Satan. Stop insisting upon ignorance.

 

[Flame]

One of the perks of living in the country, no more missionaries! The worst we get anymore are FFA kids selling fruit.

 

[Revoltingest]

From personal experience, that doesn't work either. They continue to assume it's just a fandom, a "fad", or a passing fancy. And it usually ends with awkwardly being handed more useless literature.

You are right that there is no need - at first - to belittle them. "Challenge" depends largely on what the individual takes as a challenge; to some, merely disbelieving in their god is a challenge. But neither is the best thing to do lying down and taking the schpeal. Nothing requires us to do so, or to remain polite when we are "visited" day after day.

Different techniques for different people.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I would say different techniques for different situations, as well. Remember, they're not there to hold a conversation - they're not really interested in the Mjolnir, or any other non-christian iconography. They use it as a conversational in to inform the target non-christian of the "better way."