Some new age beliefs that I believe is wrong

[Starlight]

God is that God is.

What do you believe about God?

 

[Nakosis]

Some new agers believe God is only love. That God is not justice. And they believe actions to not have consequences.
I believe this beliefs is wrong.

I believe God is love yes, but our actions do have consequences. Because I believe God is also justice. God created karma. Karma is real.

That God is only love may sounds good, but it is not the reality . All our actions do have consequences.

But i believe punishments like Hell and reincarnation is not eternal. They are only temporary because God is love. A loving God do not torture his creations.

Do you believe God is love and just? What do you believe about God and the afterlife? Any thought?

You can believe whatever you want. Someone else can believe differently.

I suppose the value of belief is that you can believe whatever makes you happy regardless of the reality.

I'd rather not put any faith into personal beliefs lacking the evidence to support them.

 

[Starlight]

God is what you need it to be.


People spend far too much time concerning themselves with an afterlife. They would do better to focus on the joys of this life.

I believe it is better to focus on the joys of this life and the afterlife at the same time. Both is important

 

[shunyadragon]

Why do you believe that`?

I will agree with @syo that modern Christianity is highly flawed with dominant Hellenist, Roman influence. Many beliefs and doctrines have little or no relevance to the early Christianity and Judaism that is their origin. Christianity is fractured and divided in many conflicting beliefs trying to go back to some coherent belief based on the Bible.

Christianity in reality did evolve into a fractured Roman Western religion rooted in Paulist Hellenist beliefs.

 

[shunyadragon]

You can believe whatever you want. Someone else can believe differently.

I suppose the value of belief is that you can believe whatever makes you happy regardless of the reality.

I'd rather not put any faith into personal beliefs lacking the evidence to support them.

I doubt that 'personal beliefs' are grounded in evidence unless you are some sort of a materialist.

 

[Starlight]

I will agree with @syo that modern Christianity is highly flawed with dominant Hellenist, Roman influence. Many beliefs and doctrines have little or no relevance to the early Christianity and Judaism that is their origin.

Christianity in reality did evolve into a Roman Western religion rooted in Paulist Hellenist beliefs.

Some christian denominations do not believe in the trinity

 

[shunyadragon]

Some christian denominations do not believe in the trinity

True and the diversity of beliefs in a fractured religion is part of the problem. At present. the by far dominant belief in Christianity is Trinitarianism

 

[Starlight]

New Age beliefs are more diverse than this. Vague generalizations are not a good theme to begin with.

Belief 'God is Love' is shared by many histians, and does not preclude other attributes.


Yes I believe in a Universal 'Source' some call God(s), and yes the attributes of God include Love, Justice, and Compassion,

If you believe in the ancient tribal God of the Bible you are in trouble from the beginning. The attributes of the God escribed in the Bible from the ancient human perspective is not necessarily a God of not only 'Love and Justice.'

I know new age beliefs i more diverse than this. Because of that I wrote In the opening post *Some new agers believe God is only love. That God is not justice*

I believe the whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.
Yes I believe many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing

 

[Starlight]

New Age beliefs are more diverse than this. Vague generalizations are not a good theme to begin with.

Belief 'God is Love' is shared by many histians, and does not preclude other attributes.


Yes I believe in a Universal 'Source' some call God(s), and yes the attributes of God include Love, Justice, and Compassion,

If you believe in the ancient tribal God of the Bible you are in trouble from the beginning. The attributes of the God escribed in the Bible from the ancient human perspective is not necessarily a God of not only 'Love and Justice.'

you wrote this to me *New Age beliefs are more diverse than this. Vague generalizations are not a good theme to begin with* but at the same time you judge whole of christianity. Christianity is also more diverse than what you wrote

 

[shunyadragon]

True and the diversity of beliefs in a fractured religion is part of the problem. At present. the by far dominant belief in Christianity is Trinitarianism

The problems of divided and conflicting ancient tribal religions is endemic not only Christianity. My foundation philosophy is universalism, and by faith Baha'i, because these views are more open-ended and acknowledge an evolving spiritual nature of fallible human beliefs. The human perspective and ancient tribal religions are unreliable. It remains that the Baha'i Fain must be understood in its context, though it does acknowledge change, and the priority of science in understanding the limits of the relationship with the physical in all the scriptures.

The evolving nature of the knowledge of science represents a firm foundation to understand the nature of our physical existence, and nothing more.

The universalism philosophy is my foundation. Its basis is not to make final judgments as to whether true or false in the absolute sense but to consider all religions as they are in the context of those who believe and the culture and time they developed.

 

[shunyadragon]

I know new age beliefs i more diverse than this. Because of that I wrote In the opening post *Some new agers believe God is only love. That God is not justice*

I believe the whole Bible is not from God. Some people who wrote parts of the Bible were wrong about God. God has never asked us humans to kill each other.
Yes I believe many parts of the Bible is from God, but some parts of the Bible is not from God

How to know what is from God in the Bible? That is simple. God is love and just. What is against love and justice is not from God. God is against killing

I do not believe that judging the scriptures as to what is from or not from God is that simple. Yes, like all ancient religions, the inspiration from God is there in all ancient religions but must be put in the context and culture of the times it was written. From a more objective perspective, the fallible human perspective human the line cannot be black and white as to what appears to be good and from God, From the Baha'i perspective yes all that is good reflects the attributes of God through Creation and Revelation

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

The problems of divided and conflicting ancient tribal religions is endemic not only Christianity. My foundation philosophy is universalism, and by faith Baha'i, because these views are more open-ended and acknowledge an evolving spiritual nature of fallible human beliefs. The human perspective and ancient tribal religions are unreliable. It remains that the Baha'i Fain must be understood in its context, though it does acknowledge change, and the priority of science in understanding the limits of the relationship with the physical in all the scriptures.

The evolving nature of the knowledge of science represents a firm foundation to understand the nature of our physical existence, and nothing more.

The universalism philosophy is my foundation. Its basis is not to make final judgments as to whether true or false in the absolute sense but to consider all religions as they are in the context of those who believe and the culture and time they developed.

I'd say that the Baha’i faith is a somewhat rigid and strict religion that does not respect or accept other religions outside of trying to incorporate them into its own from a certain narrow picture (and without getting their permission to), and while it values science, it tends to put religion and Baha'i Scriptures over science, using science for its own religious goals. I'd ask what you mean by "universalism". The Baha'i faith is also an evangelism religion with some rigid views of LGBT+ within the faith, and it's not uncommon for people to join the Baha'i faith based on false ideas / misconceptions of it from other Baha'is due to the nature of the evangelism.

 

[George-ananda]

And they believe actions to not have consequences.

I don't hear New Agers saying that. They often believe in karma meaning bad actions will stay around to have bad further effects.

 

[Windwalker]

True and the diversity of beliefs in a fractured religion is part of the problem. At present. the by far dominant belief in Christianity is Trinitarianism

Would you claim that Hinduism is a unified religion with a uniformity of beliefs? Would you claim it is dysfunctional because it is the opposite of that? (Although one could argue that it is united in its acceptance and tolerance of diversity).

 

[syo]

Why do you believe that`?

Because it's true.

 

[shunyadragon]

Would you claim that Hinduism is a unified religion with a uniformity of beliefs? Would you claim it is dysfunctional because it is the opposite of that? (Although one could argue that it is united in its acceptance and tolerance of diversity).

First I did not consider Christianity a unified set of beliefs. I simply said by far the majority of Christians are Trinitarian evolved from Hellenistic/Roman compilation of the Bible and beliefs.

Hinduism is most definitely not a unified set of beliefs. It is extremely diverse with many variations. Actually, it blends with Buddhism with considerable overlap as in Nepal where the believers often consider themselves Hindu/Buddhist. Some of the Buddhist temples I visited in China had statues of Buddha and Shiva.

Probably the closest to a uniform set of beliefs is Judaism because the scriptures are established and it is very strongly bound by blood lineage and culture at its core. Then again it is also subject to rift and division within the whole acknowledged by most Jews.

One of the differences between Judaism and Christianity is how the Pentateuch is considered in their theology. Because of the heavy emphasis of a literal Genesis and Exodus in Christianity a literal interpretation was established in the Gospels and the teachings of Christ to justify the purpose of Jesus Christ. Up until the Reformation, the overwhelming belief in Christianity was a literal Genesis and Exodus. Beginning with the Reformation science and modern logic began to seriously question the foundation of Christianity This resulted in fracturing and division in Christianity.

The parallel reformation took place in Judaism, but the resulting division between Reformed Judaism and traditional Orthodox Jews was not extremely contentious since both shared the basic foundation of belief. The literal interpretation of the Pentateuch was never truly essential to Judaism and became less of a concern after the Reformation.

 

[shunyadragon]

I'd say that the Baha’i faith is a somewhat rigid and strict religion that does not respect or accept other religions outside of trying to incorporate them into its own from a certain narrow picture (and without getting their permission to), and while it values science, it tends to put religion and Baha'i Scriptures over science, using science for its own religious goals. I'd ask what you mean by "universalism". The Baha'i faith is also an evangelism religion with some rigid views of LGBT+ within the faith, and it's not uncommon for people to join the Baha'i faith based on false ideas / misconceptions of it from other Baha'is due to the nature of the evangelism.

I understand where you are coming from on your view of the Baha'i Faith, but I consider it a rather extreme selective view of the nature of the Baha'i Faith.

The reason I fundamentally believe in The Universalist Philosophy I described I put the Baha'i Faith in the spectrum of the evolving religions in the history of humanity. The Baha'i Faith does recognize the progressive evolution of beliefs even within the future of the Baha'i Faith, which the other ancient religions do not.

 

[Windwalker]

Because it's true.

Why do you believe it is true?

 

[Starlight]

God is what you need it to be.


People spend far too much time concerning themselves with an afterlife. They would do better to focus on the joys of this life.

Why do you believe that God is what a person need it to be?

 

[Starlight]

A God without justice is not a God I would ever follow and a love I'd never care to entertain. Justice is the bottom floor of life and existence. To sink beneath justice is to become less than nothing. Less than nothing is to be guilty of malevolence, and arrogance. I would really love to know if there is redemption for the guilty. I can't see any redemption without a deserved punishment. My best guess is that if we live forever than universal salvation is quite possible. If karma is real than the heights and depths of it must run pretty deep and far.

I agree. A God who is not just, is not a loving God