Some say I'm a backslider

[columbus]

Libel will get you nowhere.

I believe that this is what is being referred to as psychotic:

Don't forget that the word of God is a closed book to many people, where God prevents them from understanding it so as to give them over to wrath...."so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'" Mark 4:12.

God deliberately prevents people from understanding in order to torture them.
That's pretty psychotic.
Tom

 

[outlawState]

I believe that this is what is being referred to as psychotic:

No lawyer will tell you that libel is worthwhile. What's your beef? OK, your "beliefs." I get it.

God deliberately prevents people from understanding in order to torture them.
That's pretty psychotic.
Tom

Again your "beliefs" are puerile. The word of God can become open to anyone, but not in their natural state. As long as people are determined to retain their natural sin loving, libel loving human nature, they will never understand anything of God because it is not God's will that they do so. Only upon repentence from sin will scripture become open to you. So again, eternity is always a choice.

 

[columbus]

No lawyer will tell you that libel is worthwhile. What's your beef? OK, your "beliefs." I get it.


Again your "beliefs" are puerile. The word of God can become open to anyone, but not in their natural state. As long as people are determined to retain their natural sin loving, libel loving human nature, they will never understand anything of God because it is not God's will that they do so. Only upon repentence from sin will scripture become open to you. So again, eternity is always a choice.

I believe Deeje summed up the appropriate response superbly:

It remains true, that the easiest person on the planet to fool, is ourselves.

Tom

 

[outlawState]

I believe Deeje summed up the appropriate response superbly:


Tom

Every lawyer knows it. It is why I always investigate the evidence, unlike you, who hasn't got the faintest idea about Christianity.

 

[columbus]

Every lawyer knows it. It is why I always investigate the evidence, unlike you, who hasn't got the faintest idea about Christianity.

The Bible is a collection of writings from centuries past, written by primitive folks from a culture quite alien, in a primitive language.

Your assertion that modern folks who interpret English translations of the Bible differently from you haven't "got the faintest idea about Christianity" makes @Deeje post all the more poignant.
Tom

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Bible is a collection of writings from centuries past, written by primitive folks from a culture quite alien, in a primitive language.

Your assertion that modern folks who interpret English translations of the Bible differently from you haven't "got the faintest idea about Christianity" makes @Deeje post all the more poignant.
Tom

How often does one run into Christians with the only correct interpretation?

 

[stvdv]

It is most unlikely that "you" really hear the word of God through the words of the bible as you belittle it a lot. Don't forget that the word of God is a closed book to many people, where God prevents them from understanding it so as to give them over to wrath...."so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'" Mark 4:12.

You need to stop believing in fables and decide whether you are ready to listen to God. BTW You're not alone - I think it applies to everyone, to a degree.

This is strange. You belittle @Trackdayguy twice in just 3 lines. And you dare say to him that he belittles the Bible. What you do is "Ad hominem" belittling [you belittle him personally]. @Trackdayguy only belittles the Bible, not you personally.

And don't you think that God almighty can handle @Trackdayguy belittling His Bible? Being Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnietcetera!!!

In this context I always remember from the Bible
1) Do not judge
2) Love thy neighbor as thyself
3) Who is without sin throw the first stone.

@Trackdayguy: is old enough to make his own decision how to believe. And so are we all. At least it shows some guts to choose your own way and not follow mainstream Christianity. Good on him. IMHO it is very childish to belittle the Belief System of others. Oh no, correction children do not do that. They are quite innocent. Whatever it is I don't know, but it is not what the Bible teaches, and definitely Jesus not.

This belittling of atheist and non-Christians by Christians is the reason that I quit Christianity. And that is the reason that I don't accept Christians belittling others.

 

[stvdv]

How often does one run into Christians with the only correct interpretation?

I can not really remember I run into a Christian who had NOT the only correct interpretation. So the answer is 100% for me.
[I am serious. I prayed to Jesus to show me 1 Christian declaring "Jesus is not the only way for all, it is for Christians the way". Sofar I have not met one in real life.

 

[david-david]

I'm not trying to disprove the Bible, I'm just trying to find out what it says. What I know for sure is that it isn't God's word, nor should it be taken literally.

So this is my new mantra.

"I don't believe the Bible is the word of God, I believe the word of God is what I hear through the words of the Bible"

and it gets even deeper if you do a interlinear comparison of the words, from English to Hebrew and from English to Greek and from Hebrew to Greek.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I think it is about time we, (non-)christians, stop this very bad BS from the church
This sick indoctrination of the worst type.

You non-christians can do this? How? I suggest that you can only accomplish it by peaceful and loving means.

But what the church does is the worst of all sins telling others "you are a sinner"

I think its a corruption that hurts people. What that church does introduce is the importance of peace through forgiveness, and through that it has improved life for most people. Its fair to speculate that churches uphold peace in the world through teaching peace and forgiveness. Corruption should be excised I think, but would non-christians know how to do that?

Half serious suggestion. Have a bumper sticker made saying, "Backslidin' with Jesus".

Funny! I think that joke could be made to do some good in some contexts.

 

[stvdv]

I think its a corruption that hurts people. What that church does introduce is the importance of peace through forgiveness, and through that it has improved life for most people. Its fair to speculate that churches uphold peace in the world through teaching peace and forgiveness. Corruption should be excised I think, but would non-christians know how to do that?

You non-christians can do this? How? I suggest that you can only accomplish it by peaceful and loving means

First the Church creates a guilt feeling in you then have you "Surrender to Jesus" to solve your guilt [paying 10% in the process OR ELSE..new guilt]

Better don't start believing in the Church, then no guilt feeling to begin with AND don't need Jesus to solve it AND don't need to give 10% to the Church

The truth will always win. In Holland 1850 99,9% were Christians. 2018 37% are Christians. Truth has triumphed it looks. Automatically.

But we should be careful. The Church is still full of power and money. Do not give them 1 finger, they will cut your whole hand [figuratively speaking of course.

 

[Muffled]

I'm not trying to disprove the Bible, I'm just trying to find out what it says. What I know for sure is that it isn't God's word, nor should it be taken literally.

So this is my new mantra.

"I don't believe the Bible is the word of God, I believe the word of God is what I hear through the words of the Bible"

I believe you can't know for sure something that isn't true.

I believe that depends on what you mean by literally. If you mean take it for what it is I believe it should be taken literally. If you mean everything in the Bible should be taken as actually happening then I believe it should not.

I believe The Bible says we are hard of hearing so I believe that is not the word of God.

I believe the Bible is not completely direct quotes from the mouth of God but it is His word because He owns it.

 

[Muffled]

You're a backslider.
(It's fine with me.)

I believe you are jumping to conclusions. The only evidence that he gave was that other people thought he was. That is not good enough.

If you were basing your comment on his theological meanderings, I find a person genuinely concerned about God and His Word and that appears to be faith to me.

 

[Muffled]

Better to do that rather than taking the Bible literally. Only a psychopath can even begin to do that. Though many will claim to do so, none that I have met will follow the Bible when it comes to the Bible's rules on killing various sinners.

I believe that is a good thing because I suspect you would be a highly placed target.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that is a good thing because I suspect you would be a highly placed target.

Thanks for the compliment. That evil people would try to attack me tells me that I must be very good.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe you are jumping to conclusions. The only evidence that he gave was that other people thought he was. That is not good enough.

If you were basing your comment on his theological meanderings, I find a person genuinely concerned about God and His Word and that appears to be faith to me.

I called him a "backslider" as a friendly jest (because some people call him that).

 

[Ra Daughter]

I'm not trying to disprove the Bible, I'm just trying to find out what it says. What I know for sure is that it isn't God's word, nor should it be taken literally.

So this is my new mantra.

"I don't believe the Bible is the word of God, I believe the word of God is what I hear through the words of the Bible"

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I totally agree with you on that. The words of God can only come alive for those who can see beyond what is written and interpreted by men who didn't know completely what they were writing about when they decided to interpret the word of God. Many things were added into the bible, and removed is most needed to be aware of through experience, knowledge and research.

 

[Trackdayguy]

What other people think of my conclusions is none of my business.

 

[Ra Daughter]

What other people think of my conclusions is none of my business.

I guess that's my cue to not share with you again, or is it rather modesty on your part?

 

[Trackdayguy]

I guess that's my cue to not share with you again, or is it rather modesty on your part?

That's your choice. I cant be responsible for what other people think.