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My preferred narrative is of greater value to me me personally than scholarship can ever be. I don't live according to scholarship but according to my preferred narrative.
You wrote:
Could you share the scriptures that discuss this?
I offered a brief correction, principally because I dislike sloppiness with regards to source material. Best I can tell, the only one making a bid deal about this is you.
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OK, more details as promised:
1) Secret Mark is actually a letter from Clement of Alexandria to Theodore. It is very interesting in whole and I think that everyone should read it, as it reveals some interesting “way of thinking” of the synoptics at the time. But any way, that’s not my point for now.
For now, I’d like to present this particular narrative of the letter:
<<…And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan…>>
This is about Lazarus, but so differently shown.
First of, it is much clear that “the youth” was not dead in the tomb. He was alive and crying out. This reminds us of certain initiations by the older religions that included the “experience of death” in a tomb (which represents the womb), for the neophyte to face his fears and then be reborn. Some masons still practice that. Seems like Lazarus was not yet ready for this experience and paniced. Hence the cries.
Second of, that “linen cloth over his naked body” is so obviously a ceremonial clothing. And, by the looks of it, Jesus prepared him for the initiation, “told him what to do” and “taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God”… What is that if not an initiation to some mystery?
...I’ll be back with the Acts of John
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Glad it was brought to my attention.. This version is actually a lot less mysterious for me, than the official account.OK, more details as promised:
1) Secret Mark is actually a letter from Clement of Alexandria to Theodore. It is very interesting in whole and I think that everyone should read it, as it reveals some interesting “way of thinking” of the synoptics at the time. But any way, that’s not my point for now.
For now, I’d like to present this particular narrative of the letter:
<<…And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan…>>
This is about Lazarus, but so differently shown.
First of, it is much clear that “the youth” was not dead in the tomb. He was alive and crying out. This reminds us of certain initiations by the older religions that included the “experience of death” in a tomb (which represents the womb), for the neophyte to face his fears and then be reborn. Some masons still practice that. Seems like Lazarus was not yet ready for this experience and paniced. Hence the cries.
Second of, that “linen cloth over his naked body” is so obviously a ceremonial clothing. And, by the looks of it, Jesus prepared him for the initiation, “told him what to do” and “taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God”… What is that if not an initiation to some mystery?
...I’ll be back with the Acts of John
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Sure, Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus son of Mary..
One of the best sources I have ever read so far for the bases of Christ and Dionysus, is the book: Ι.Χ.Θ.Υ.Σ. by professors Straros Theodosiou and Manos Danezis, but it’s only in Greek. Sorry
Another very interesting and very carefully written book, is Greek Religion by Walter Burkert.
The well known ancient Greek Tragedy The Bacchae by Euripides, is also a good source on the subject. It has inspired many papers about the relation between Dionysus and Christ.
It has also inspired papers that compare Euripides’ tragedy with Gregory of Nazianzus the Teologician’s tragedy: O Christos Pasxon (Christ’s passion… I’m not sure of the translation).
And of course I’m sure you know this:
“Orpheus Bacchus” on the cross. An amulet of the 3rd century. It's a... synopsis of all this, isn't it?
Just a tiny bit off topic: notice the seven stars and the crescent moon on top of the cross. Doesn’t it kinda remind you of this:
<<And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars>> [Rev. 1:12]
And also:
<<And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength>> [Rev. 1:13-16]
Which has been considered to be the constellation of Orion? Another figure related with Christ?...
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My apologies, my curiosity got the best of me and I ran the conversation off topic. I've continued my inquiry in a private conversation.
