“If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?”
― Jalaluddin Rumi
I don't know but it will be interesting to find the Light that shines through all things. Don't let no basket cases cover you up. giggles
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Son of Man -VS- Son of God
- Thread starter Nefelie
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“If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?”
― Jalaluddin Rumi
I don't know but it will be interesting to find the Light that shines through all things. Don't let no basket cases cover you up. giggles
Light doesn't shine through all things. It exposes all things.
John 3
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
John 3
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
I guess the arrow is response to.
Sorry if I messed up responses.
If you do not know who Christ is, then you are not His.
I can give the benefit of doubt, but its a theology that commands to fixed, not according to doctrines of men. But according to the Bible in many verses.
Ill paraphrase a few for you to find.
Blessed are you, The Father has revealed this ...
Godhead in bodily form ....
Says Christ come in the flesh is of God....
Seven times Jesus applies "I Am" to Himself.
And many many more ....
Hi 777,
Would you like to learn to be an Evangelist? A real good one with that Spiritual "gifting"?
Because to know the difference between "Son of Man" and "Son of God" is THE knowledge that makes a person a Christian. Seriously. Because if you know the answer to that, it means you must know who Father God is. And if you know that then you must know Truth.
Father God
Son of God
Truth, Holy Spirit of.....
So, want me to justify any of that from scripture?
Got a Christian name? It's odd typing a car registration number, my friend.
Would you like to learn to be an Evangelist? A real good one with that Spiritual "gifting"?
Because to know the difference between "Son of Man" and "Son of God" is THE knowledge that makes a person a Christian. Seriously. Because if you know the answer to that, it means you must know who Father God is. And if you know that then you must know Truth.
Father God
Son of God
Truth, Holy Spirit of.....
So, want me to justify any of that from scripture?
Got a Christian name? It's odd typing a car registration number, my friend.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Cistern?
Are you saying that there is not a Trinity?
And by what difference is meant when He is called Son of Man, and Son of God?
Who was Christ was He a man, only a man?
Wow!
Let me put it in a line for you!
I believe in Father God (1) who begat
Son of God (2) by causing him to be reborn through
God, the Holy Spirit of Truth (3)
Son of God is a Son of Man full of Spirit of God which enables him to see both "The" Son of God and God "The" Father
In practical terms: When a Man is full of Truth he is adopted/begotten by God and becomes a Child of God. When he realises that he feels "born again". Jesus said it's hard to explain, but great to experience.
I counted and numbered Father, Son and Spirit and came to three. Is that what you call "Trinity"?
So, the issue isn't whether or not you can count to three. It's whether or not you can clearly see that Father and Son are separate. If you can you'll have the Spirit of Truth. They come as a set, you see.
You see God is Spirit and Truth. Jesus said it to a woman at a well as he was explaining about drinking his words down so that they come alive inside you such that you can speak them out to other people like I'm doing. Once you've got his Truth you don't ever need to go looking for it anywhere else.
Understood? Not like a child (on faith) but like a grown up (on the basis of facts). Those facts are made known through the "Apostles Doctrine". It's a completely foreign concept to every Christian I've ever met! Really!
Stick with me. Do me a favour though. Speak to me. Not down to me. You see I've been around the block a bit. I've personally known the Lord Jesus for nigh on 40 years and Love him. Beware imitations who talk rubbish, hey.
Let me put it in a line for you!
I believe in Father God (1) who begat
Son of God (2) by causing him to be reborn through
God, the Holy Spirit of Truth (3)
Son of God is a Son of Man full of Spirit of God which enables him to see both "The" Son of God and God "The" Father
In practical terms: When a Man is full of Truth he is adopted/begotten by God and becomes a Child of God. When he realises that he feels "born again". Jesus said it's hard to explain, but great to experience.
I counted and numbered Father, Son and Spirit and came to three. Is that what you call "Trinity"?
So, the issue isn't whether or not you can count to three. It's whether or not you can clearly see that Father and Son are separate. If you can you'll have the Spirit of Truth. They come as a set, you see.
You see God is Spirit and Truth. Jesus said it to a woman at a well as he was explaining about drinking his words down so that they come alive inside you such that you can speak them out to other people like I'm doing. Once you've got his Truth you don't ever need to go looking for it anywhere else.
Understood? Not like a child (on faith) but like a grown up (on the basis of facts). Those facts are made known through the "Apostles Doctrine". It's a completely foreign concept to every Christian I've ever met! Really!
Stick with me. Do me a favour though. Speak to me. Not down to me. You see I've been around the block a bit. I've personally known the Lord Jesus for nigh on 40 years and Love him. Beware imitations who talk rubbish, hey.
Jesus not knowing day or hour...
The word clearly says the Father is subjecting all things under the Son. They are two persons who are one. And the Son is subject to the Father.
They are two different persons. They are "the Lord our God is One." And "Let Us make man in our image" and "I and the Father are One"
All things were made through Jesus. He is the Creator.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
The commandment says the Lord your God is One. It doesnt say He is One God. Jesus also said, I and the Father are One.
And Jesus quotes this scripture of what David said, and then provokes the Pharisees to explain it.
41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question:
42 “What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They said to Him, “The son of David.”
43 He said to them, “Then how does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying,
44 ‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Until I put Your enemies beneath Your feet”’?
45 If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his son?”
46 No one was able to answer Him a word, nor did anyone dare from that day on to ask Him another question.
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colossians 3:11
Christ is all and in all.
God created the world and everything in it from God.
Isaiah 66 claims so.
furthermore, if you choose not to believe, that is a choice a man can make. it doesn't mean doesn't shine through all things.
What does that have to do with the discussion of who was Jesus and His fully God and fully man?
the thread is about son of man vs son of god.
son of man is about humanity.
SON OF MAN - JewishEncyclopedia.com
son of God is about recognizing one's eternal and internal spirit
jesus isn't the exclusive son of god. "OUR Father" for instance, call no man Father because you have ONE Father in heaven, all children of the Most High, et al.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
John 1
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” 16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace.
17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
The Bible self defines itself. And confirms itself by confirming facts by two or three witnesses. God's World is judicial.
So, an interpretation should be interpreted by itself. It will be confirmed as a witness within itself.
The Word and Jesus are one, and both He and the Father bear witness to Himself, the Spirit reveals and bears witness.
The Lord our God is One. It doesn't say He is One God. It says He is One. But also He is three persons, each bearing witness to Himself. And He is also described as the seven Spirits of God that executes judgment to infinity.
The Bible says the "Lord our God is One," to have no idols before Him and He is this as described because He is Judicial. He is both the judge and jury, He is One!
Only He is proven as Truth, so only He could bear witness to Himself and execute His vengeance.
So He is three persons to bear witness to Himself. As evidence to us and as evidence against those who do not live by its evidence.
He is also The Seven Spirits of God, because seven and seventy times seven to execute vengeance for the blood shed in violence on the earth "sevenfold"
Spot-on!
Both. Son of God is a title. We are also sons of man and sins of God.
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Hi Nefelie and loverofhumanity,
Your post isn't completely clear to me.
The way I see the difference between "Son of God" and "Son of Man" is that everybody is a "Son of Man" but only those who God speaks to are "Sons of God".
It's clarified in Psalm 82v6 through which Jesus tried to explain himself (his position) in John 10v34. Jesus, in effect, said "Those to whom the Word of God came were Sons of God".
I never, in 40 years as a Christian, heard any exposition of the Psalms verse. Save the bit that says "The Word of God cannot be broken" from John.
Kind and loving regards, Den
Your post isn't completely clear to me.
The way I see the difference between "Son of God" and "Son of Man" is that everybody is a "Son of Man" but only those who God speaks to are "Sons of God".
It's clarified in Psalm 82v6 through which Jesus tried to explain himself (his position) in John 10v34. Jesus, in effect, said "Those to whom the Word of God came were Sons of God".
I never, in 40 years as a Christian, heard any exposition of the Psalms verse. Save the bit that says "The Word of God cannot be broken" from John.
Kind and loving regards, Den
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