Son of Man -VS- Son of God

[firedragon]

did anyone note?.....

Adam is a chosen son of God
and Jesus is called the begotten Son of God

Then Ephraim is the first born son of God.

Mary is Theotokos, Jesus is Monogeni, Ephraim is Protokos. One big family?

Then Moses is Theos or Elohim to Pharaoh. Sons of God or Ben Elohim get married to Daughters of men. Righteous carry the sperm of God while God rides a cherub.

Language Timothy.

 

[Thief]

I don't believe Adam was brought from the ground as if a creation new.....

I believe he was of the species created and turned loose on Day Six
and selected by God for the garden event AFTER Day Seven

 

[firedragon]

I don't believe Adam was brought from the ground as if a creation new.....

I believe he was of the species created and turned loose on Day Six
and selected by God for the garden event AFTER Day Seven

You maybe right. Because it is the Greek translation that has two episodes with two different references. Anthropos and Adam. Man and Adam.

Both are Adam.

 

[Meander_Z]

did anyone note?.....

Adam is a chosen son of God
and Jesus is called the begotten Son of God

I don't think anyone here is unaware of that claim as it is stated in the Bible, or that millions of Christians believe in that literally.

I think it's interesting to note that until the Protestant reformation elevated the Bible as a higher authority than The Church (i.e. The Pope) it was widely acceptable for church authorities to apply metaphorical interpretation to the Bible, especially since many of the passages and teachings are quite poetic in nature. I think it's wonderful that the Protestant church began creating translations of the Bible that were accessible to lay people, and encouraged people to begin engaging with these teachings on their own without requiring the interpretation of a religious authority figure.

Unfortunately the use of metaphor and poetry is not always grasped by common lay people, and over time any such interpretation eventually became labelled as nonreligious, forcing modern people to choose between accepting the Bible as literal fact, or else dismiss it as complete nonsense.

My own struggles with the Bible and Christianity almost always hinged on this enforced literal interpretation, as the only acceptable style of interpretation. It took me a long time to realize that the Bible offers many beautiful, uplifting, and spiritually relevant lessons, tales, and traditions. I just prefer to take the notion of the Protestant reformation a step further and place the authority of the God of my heart, above the authority of the written Bible, the church, and earthly authorities. The God of my heart has never once felt threatened by my desire to understand other religions, and non-religious investigations of religious concepts. It is people and not God who are obsessed with being right and being proven right. The God I know is far more groovy than religious authorities would encourage me to believe, but then the Church has been in the business of creating well behaved sheeple that do and believe whatever they are told, since much longer than the Protestant reformation. I propose that God has a different agenda, one of greater complexity and deeper meaning.

 

[psychoslice]

Was it the same with Ezekiel?

Can you share a verse ?.

 

[metis]

Can you share a verse ?.

O sole mio...


[metis runs for cover]

 

[psychoslice]

O sole mio...


[metis runs for cover]

Mamma mia.

 

[Nefelie]

You maybe right. Because it is the Greek translation that has two episodes with two different references. Anthropos and Adam. Man and Adam. Both are Adam.

Just a bit off topic:

According to a point of view, the first human was male AND female. Not two different beings but one with both genders. Since God doesn’t really have a gender but is rather both (or none),the first human was created in this “same image”, having both genders, and was named “Adam”.

Note: “Adam” in Hebrew it means just plain “human” and not “man” as in male human. This is a very common mistake we all make, assuming that “Adam” is male. It isn't. It's just "human".

Later, Adam was feeling lonely, so God seperated Adam to two humans: a male one (that kept the name “Adam”) and a female one (that was later named “Eve”).
The conclusion of separation comes from the fact that God didn’t start a new human from scratch, but used a piece of Adam (his side).

I just always thought that’s an interesting topic from Genesis and decided to share

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[firedragon]

Can you share a verse ?.

Ezekiel 2

He said to me, “Son of man, stand up on your feet and I will speak to you.

Read Ezekiel.

 

[firedragon]

Just a bit off topic:

According to a point of view, the first human was male AND female. Not two different beings but one with both genders. Since God doesn’t really have a gender but is rather both (or none),the first human was created in this “same image”, having both genders, and was named “Adam”.

Note: “Adam” in Hebrew it means just plain “human” and not “man” as in male human. This is a very common mistake we all make, assuming that “Adam” is male. It isn't. It's just "human".

Later, Adam was feeling lonely, so God seperated Adam to two humans: a male one (that kept the name “Adam”) and a female one (that was later named “Eve”).
The conclusion of separation comes from the fact that God didn’t start a new human from scratch, but used a piece of Adam (his side).

I just always thought that’s an interesting topic from Genesis and decided to share

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Thats only a point of view. There is no biblical reference. Adam means man. It's a masculine noun.

Yes, it could mean human. Not really human, it means mankind. But its masculine.

From the biblical narrative, it could be what you say. Could be.

Theological studies are interesting.

 

[Nefelie]

Thats only a point of view. There is no biblical reference. Adam means man. It's a masculine noun.
Yes, it could mean human. Not really human, it means mankind. But its masculine.

It is a man’s world, dear. “Anthropos” is also masculine, even though it means “human”.

“Mankind”, “man” to be exact, is also masculine. Therefore, so is “human”.

As a woman, I’m very much offended, but what can I do?...

Theological studies are interesting.

Indeed!

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[firedragon]

It is a man’s world, dear. “Anthropos” is also masculine, even though it means “human”.

“Mankind”, “man” to be exact, is also masculine. Therefore, so is “human”.

As a woman, I’m very much offended, but what can I do?...



Indeed!

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If you are a lady you should cite it on your avatar so that we can address you with the respect due.

What could one do, this is a mans world. But when we men get home we are completely ruled by moms and wives. Thus, its all a pretense. We men are putty in womens hands.

Thats why Chandler takes a boat to his bath.

 

[Nefelie]

If you are a lady you should cite it on your avatar so that we can address you with the respect due.

No need for special treatment

And when I said that I am offended, I didn’t mean by you! I meant by the fact that the words to describe mankind are masculine. I hope that was clear!

What could one do, this is a mans world. But when we men get home we are completely ruled by moms and wives. Thus, its all a pretense. We men are putty in womens hands. Thats why Chandler takes a boat to his bath.

Hahaha… so true!

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[firedragon]

No need for special treatment

And when I said that I am offended, I didn’t mean by you! I meant by the fact that the words to describe mankind are masculine. I hope that was clear!

Of course its clear and I do agree with you. Though lots of men refer to their beasty supercars as her. Thus now I think its evening out.

And I think special treatment is needed, so that my kids (One day) will learn to do the same.

 

[Dent]

I've not read every post.


But what I have read appears to be either Philosophy, Opinion or Indoctrination.


Has anybody thought to post Jesus' very own very clear definition of "Son of God"?


If not I'd be very pleased to do so. It's not only crystal clear, but unequivocal. To me at least.


When the penny dropped for me, I found it incredibly liberating. The Truth set me free. Well that's my testimony for what it's worth. That said, it got me excommunicated. That's what they do to Truthful people. Sad. Their loss rather than mine. I came alive.


Not yet found anybody else who shares my experience. I'm looking forward to so doing. So I've got somebody to Love and be Loved by.

 

[Fool]

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Simple question for everyone interested:

Jesus prefered to call himself "the Son of Man" ... even though he did it in the third person, so maybe he didn't even mean just himself... hmm...

Others prefer to call him "the Son of God"...

So, was he the Son of Man or the Son of God? And what's the difference?

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son of god is a prophet, a spiritual person, a teacher. a child of love, an awakened and righteous one.

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.


the son of man is all of humanity; which includes the watchers and the unawakened.

 

[knh777]

Actually not true. Each Gospel focuses on a specific attribute.
If you understood Salvation, you would understand how and why He was fully both!

 

[knh777]

He was fully God, as He walked un the carton of man, He did not fulfill the desire of the flesh in sin. As God He walked in it and mastered it. And as God He subjected it below His feet.
And as God He hung it's nature on the cross, and nailed it down!
And as the perfect fulfilled sacrafice He bled through it and upon it, and cleansed it as the only one unblemished Lamb.
As the bread that was broken for us He made whole those who believe as He redeemed mankind from hopeless wandering broken from their bodies to be lost and disembodied in the darkness of the fall.... to dust our bodies return to dust, eaten by worms, with a soul left wandering body dead and soul alone.
As God He marched into Hell and took the keys of death and Hell, and He took His place as He mastered death and the grave and raised Himself up on the 3rd day.
"Just a son of man could not do this" sons of men are subject to hopelessness and brokenness. There is no salvation from the "goodness" of mankind.
He ransomed all dust from the warden the grave, He trampled the serpent, whose mouth is full of mans dust and his flesh.
On the day of completion, which is here by the way, He will raise up the dead and new bodies we gain. Our dust has been cleansed our bodies made new. Like Him we will be in a twinkle this day.
Its upon us, look up! He is coming soon. The feast is prepared two seatings the last shall be first, the first shall be last.

 

[knh777]

He was fully God, as He walked in the temporak carton of man. He mastered it it did not master Him!

He did not fulfill the desire of the flesh in sin. As God He walked in it and mastered it. And as God He subjected it below His feet.

And as God He hung it's nature on the cross, and nailed it down!

And as the perfect fulfilled sacrafice He bled through it and upon it, and cleansed it as the only one unblemished Lamb.

As the bread that was broken for us He made whole those who believe as He redeemed mankind from hopeless wandering broken from their bodies to be lost and disembodied in the darkness of the fall.... to dust our bodies return to dust, eaten by worms, with a soul left wandering body dead and soul alone.

As God He marched into Hell and took the keys of death and Hell, and He took His place as He mastered death and the grave and raised Himself up on the 3rd day.

"Just a son of man could not do this" sons of men are subject to hopelessness and brokenness. There is no salvation from the "goodness" of mankind.

He ransomed all dust from the warden the grave, He trampled the serpent, whose mouth is full of man's dust and his flesh.

On the day of completion, which is here by the way, He will raise up the dead and new bodies we gain. Some will remain stained. Those of faith born again, our dust has been cleansed our bodies made new. Like Him we will be in a twinkle this day. It's time. This is the year in Hebrew calendar "5777" "The year of the end of Grace" The Trumpets blow!

Its upon us, look up! He is coming soon. The feast is prepared two seatings the last shall be first, the first shall be last.

 

[Dent]

Hi Fool,

I very much suspect we are brothers. I read some of your other posts and suspected as much.


May I extend my hand, metaphorically speaking, in a gesture of brotherhood, in a Spirit of Love in the Light of Truth.


Are there others on this forum?


Den

Hi KNH777

I got saved in 1977 brother. I'd be very happy for you to explain to me how. Two men might sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron. Two Evangelists should really make sparkes. Hey?

Go on, please tell me about Salvation. Christos!