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SOS message to Christian women and men: Do you accept the stoning of women for reasons of adultery

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angellous_evangellous

Guest
kejos said:
It shows that there are at least two delusional people!
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Hhaha

I doubt that. It simply means that the editors of the dictionary wanted to save printed words and left out "usually," giving you an unfortunately shortened definition.
 
jtartar

jtartar

Well-Known Member
the_naturalist said:
In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?

Thank you

The Naturalist
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The Naturalist,
Many of the laws in the Mosaic Law Covenant were punishable by death, if broken.
It was a death penalty to break the Sabbath laws, Ex 31:13,14. It meant the death penalty to commit a homosexual act, Lev 20:13. Adultery was a death penalty, in fact any form of Porneia, translated in English as fornication or adultery, but which meant any form of illicite sex act.
Now, Christians and nominal christians do not enforce the Mosaic Laws any longer, even though many people think we are still under the Mosaic Law Covenant.
The truth is; no Christian was ever under the Mosaic Law Covenant. The Mosaic Law Covenant was superceded by the New Covenant, Heb 8:6-13. Jesus instituted the New Covenant on the night before his death, Luke 22:19,20, 1Cor 11:23-26.
The Mosaic Law Covenant was a de bene esse law, meaning for a specified period of time, namely until the Messiah would come, JESUS. At Jesus death the New Covenant came into being, just a prophesied by Jeremiah, around 600 years before Jesus was baptized, Jere 31:31-34.
We are told, in the Bible that theMosaic Law Covenant was, symbolically nailed to the stake with Jesus and done away with, Col 2:13,14, Acts 2:23. Actually, Jesus came to earth to do away with the Mosaic Laws, because they only condemned everyone under it, to death, 2Cor 3:6,7, Gal 3:10-14,19, 21,22, Rom 7:6, 8:1-4.
Today, Christians are under the Law of the Christ, Gal 6:2, The Golden Rule, Matt 7:12, The Kingly Law, James 2:8. If you obey the law of love you have obeyed the whole law and the prophets, Rom 13:8-11. The Law we are under is written on hearts and not on stones, as the Mosaic Law was, 2Cor 3:3, Heb 10:16-18.
The Holy Scriptures state that we should be ready to die for others, not kill them, 1John 3:16, John 13:34,35.
Just because we are not under the Mosaic Law Covenant does not mean that we are not under laws. The fact is many of the Mosaic Laws were reiterated, meaning that the principle is still in effect. The Mosaic Laws were negative laws: don't do this and don't do that. The Golden Rule is much more: It says you should DO to others, what you want them to DO to you, Matt 7:12.
 
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the_naturalist

Member
jtartar said:
The Naturalist,
Many of the laws in the Mosaic Law Covenant were punishable by death, if broken.
It was a death penalty to break the Sabbath laws, Ex 31:13,14. It meant the death penalty to commit a homosexual act, Lev 20:13. Adultery was a death penalty, in fact any form of Porneia, translated in English as fornication or adultery, but which meant any form of illicite sex act.
Now, Christians and nominal christians do not enforce the Mosaic Laws any longer, even though many people think we are still under the Mosaic Law Covenant.
The truth is; no Christian was ever under the Mosaic Law Covenant. The Mosaic Law Covenant was superceded by the New Covenant, Heb 8:6-13. Jesus instituted the New Covenant on the night before his death, Luke 22:19,20, 1Cor 11:23-26.
The Mosaic Law Covenant was a de bene esse law, meaning for a specified period of time, namely until the Messiah would come, JESUS. At Jesus death the New Covenant came into being, just a prophesied by Jeremiah, around 600 years before Jesus was baptized, Jere 31:31-34.
We are told, in the Bible that theMosaic Law Covenant was, symbolically nailed to the stake with Jesus and done away with, Col 2:13,14, Acts 2:23. Actually, Jesus came to earth to do away with the Mosaic Laws, because they only condemned everyone under it, to death, 2Cor 3:6,7, Gal 3:10-14,19, 21,22, Rom 7:6, 8:1-4.
Today, Christians are under the Law of the Christ, Gal 6:2, The Golden Rule, Matt 7:12, The Kingly Law, James 2:8. If you obey the law of love you have obeyed the whole law and the prophets, Rom 13:8-11. The Law we are under is written on hearts and not on stones, as the Mosaic Law was, 2Cor 3:3, Heb 10:16-18.
The Holy Scriptures state that we should be ready to die for others, not kill them, 1John 3:16, John 13:34,35.
Just because we are not under the Mosaic Law Covenant does not mean that we are not under laws. The fact is many of the Mosaic Laws were reiterated, meaning that the principle is still in effect. The Mosaic Laws were negative laws: don't do this and don't do that. The Golden Rule is much more: It says you should DO to others, what you want them to DO to you, Matt 7:12.
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Matt, whatever you wrote, is very enlightening... You are a good humintarian who can still appreciate and work around the Bible ... Thanks
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
the_naturalist said:
In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?

Thank you

The Naturalist
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i'd like to see the scripture that pertains to not screaming loud enough, would that be considered as an insult to the rapist in some sort of twisted way?
 
MurphtheSurf

MurphtheSurf

Active Member
waitasec said:
i'd like to see the scripture that pertains to not screaming loud enough, would that be considered as an insult to the rapist in some sort of twisted way?
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I looked but I couldn't find it.............yet. Maybe it's not there, I'll keep looking.

Maybe the author got confused with the squaw woman from the movie "Outlaw Josie Wales" That was the issue there. :confused:
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
waitasec said:
i'd like to see the scripture that pertains to not screaming loud enough, would that be considered as an insult to the rapist in some sort of twisted way?
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MurphtheSurf said:
I looked but I couldn't find it.............yet. Maybe it's not there, I'll keep looking.

Maybe the author got confused with the squaw woman from the movie "Outlaw Josie Wales" That was the issue there. :confused:
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Interesting.
Perhaps if you two were to read the whole thread....

tumbleweed41 said:
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
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That is, after all, post #13 quoted there......
:facepalm:
 
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the_naturalist

Member
waitasec said:
i'd like to see the scripture that pertains to not screaming loud enough, would that be considered as an insult to the rapist in some sort of twisted way?
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No it would not be twisted ... People do not all react in the same manner under stress ... Some laugh with fear inside ... Some are quite and cooperative with tremendous fear inside ... Nonetheless, for a woman being raped is unimaginably horrifying ... We cannot deny this
 
Danmac

Danmac

Well-Known Member
the_naturalist said:
In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?

Thank you

The Naturalist
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Getting stoned is one thing, but getting stoned to death.
 
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the_naturalist

Member
Autodidact said:
re: Part Ehrman:

I'm not in a position to judge, but the UNC site says:

Bart Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor and Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University.
Prof. Ehrman completed his M.Div. and Ph.D. degrees at Princeton Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude. Since then he has published extensively in the fields of New Testament and Early Christianity, having written or edited nineteen books, numerous articles, and dozens of book reviews. Among his most recent books are a college-level textbook on the New Testament, two anthologies of early Christian writings, a study of the historical Jesus as an apocalyptic prophet (Oxford Univesity Press), and a Greek-English Edition of the Apostolic Fathers for the Loeb Classical Library (Harvard University Press).
Prof. Ehrman has served as President of the Southeast Region of the Society of Biblical literature, chair of the New Testament textual criticism section of the Society, book review editor of the Journal of Biblical Literature, and editor of the monograph series The New Testament in the Greek Fathers (Scholars Press). He currently serves as co-editor of the series New Testament Tools and Studies (E. J. Brill) and on several other editorial boards for monographs in the field.
Winner of numerous university awards and grants, Prof. Ehrman is the recipient of the 1993 UNC Undergraduate Student Teaching Award, the 1994 Phillip and Ruth Hettleman Prize for Artistic and Scholarly Achievement, and the Bowman and Gordon Gray Award for excellence in teaching.


Sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
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Bart Ehrman is the most scholarly and honest agnositc ... He is most rational ... Anyway who would discredit this ex-minister with a ph.d in theology as well as an individual who reads Latin, Greek, and other languages is no doubt an authority not to be reckoned with.
 
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