SOS message to Christian women and men: Do you accept the stoning of women for reasons of adultery

[kejos]

Is this in any way a 'just' law?

Write to the Governor

 

[tumbleweed41]

Write to the Governor

Another Red Herring? Come on, you can do better than that.

 

[tumbleweed41]

However, it seems, according to Duet. law, if the victim is a virgin who is not engaged when he rapes her, the attacker can just pay the father and then marry the victim.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

 

[Autodidact]

Unless she had bronchitis, it's a very reasonable assumption.

Well let's try this, kejos. Let's have a 300 lb, combat trained, armed assailant anally rape you within your city limits, all the time holding a loaded, cocked pistol to your head and threatening to shoot you if you make a sound. Is it reasonable to assume that the sex you had with him was voluntary?

btw, what religion did you say you were?

 

[Autodidact]

It is the principle used in jurisdictions to this day.

Really? Name one--outside of an Islamic theocracy, that is.

 

[Autodidact]

Write to the Governor

Are you claiming that this is Colorado law today? Because I am a Colorado attorney and I assure you that it is not. I can cite the Colorado Criminal Sexual Conduct statute if you would find it helpful.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Christians don't do such things, do they.

The questions still remain....

Do YOU claim to be a Christian?

Are OTHERS who claim to be Christians, but differ from your beliefs, actually Christians, in YOUR opinion.

For example, are those who claim to be Christians, who insist that the Decalogue be posted in Americas courthouses, actually Christians? In YOUR opinion?

:sleep:

 

[ChristineES]

It is interesting: Christians are judged if Leviticus says that prostitutes and adulterers are stoned. They are also judged if they don't follow the laws of Leviticus and are told they are not truly following the Bible. It is a lose-lose situation.
But most Christians say they are not bound by the Law, that Jesus fulfilled the Law. Jesus' followers were also given commands such as "Love they neighbor, siblings (in faith), enemies, etc"; "take the rod out of your own eye and don't worry about the sliver in your brother's eye"; "show mercy and you will be shown mercy" and things of that nature.

 

[the_naturalist]

There is a difference between a Christian and being Born-Again ... Born-Agains do not consider anyone that belongs to a denomination to be Christians ... It's the Bible that rules ...

 

[kejos]

There is a difference between a Christian and being Born-Again ... Born-Agains do not consider anyone that belongs to a denomination to be Christians ... It's the Bible that rules ...

Those who are born again very reasonably consider that anyone who is not also born again is not Christian, but also that those who are born againmay be members of a denomination, although it is getting more and more difficult for them to remain in denominations due to increasing denominational theological and behavioural problems.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Those who are born again very reasonably consider that anyone who is not also born again is not Christian, but also that those who are born againmay be members of a denomination, although it is getting more and more difficult for them to remain in denominations due to increasing denominational theological and behavioural problems.

How can a Christian not be in a denomination? I don't see how that's possible... unless he isn't a member of a church at all.

 

[Zadok]

In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?

Thank you

The Naturalist

I am not sure I understand the intent of this post. It appears that you are convinced that the Old Testament singles out women for punishment. Historically, women are usually not as guilty of such things. It appears to me you are somewhat prejudice in your question.

There is another problem that is almost joyfully received by many in modern society and to be honest I do not understand it. That is the cost to society by those that are unfaithful to spouses. It may be possible that married couples without children can only hurt themselves but such pollutions seldom, if ever, are confined to the childless.

The lack of discipline demonstrated by many adults is a plague in society but it is overshadowed by entertainment media. We may think of stoning as backwards and archaic but the cavalier attitude about being honest and faithful to one’s family is also costly – perhaps by magnitudes. But since we measure the advancement of society by technology – providing convincing argument is futile.

Zadok

 

[kejos]

How can a Christian not be in a denomination?

Probably the majority are in independents or house groups.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I wonder why Kejos is afraid to answer my questions?

1. Do YOU claim to be a Christian?
2. Are OTHERS who claim to be Christians, but differ from your beliefs, actually Christians, in YOUR opinion.
3. For example, are those who claim to be Christians, who insist that the Decalogue be posted in Americas courthouses, actually Christians? In YOUR opinion?

 

[jtartar]

In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?

Thank you

The Naturalist

The laws about stoning were in the Mosaic Law Covenant. With the death of Jesus the Mosaic Law Covenant was superceded by the New Covenant that Jesus instituted on the night before his death, at the Lord's Supper, Luke 22:14-20, 1Cor 11:23-26, Heb 8:6-13, Col 2:13,14.
Many of the Laws in the Mosaic Law Code were punishable by death, even starting a fire on the Sabbath, traveling oven 3,000 feet on the Sabbath.
Even though many people believe that we are still under the Mosaic Law Covenant, there is not one person who calls himself a Christian, that obeys the Mosaic Law Covenant. Under tha Mosaic Covenant there were 613 laws, that most people who claim to be Christian have never even considered following.
Under the Christian WAY, we do not kill people for any reason. We are living in the Last Days of This System, God will soon send Jesus do do away with all who do not obey Him and Jesus, 2Thess 1:6-9, Rev 19:11-16.

 

[the_naturalist]

How cute. When is the last time you heard about Christians doing this or demanding the right to do it? If ever, what percentage of the Christian community was it? Do you think that might be a clue?

sure it is not practised ... but the fact of the matter is --- it is scripture --- and christian fundamentalist would like it to be a practice --- waterdown christianity is probably less shocking --- but what do we do with these fundamentalists who aspire to the total word of god because they are biblical literatists and the bible simply rules !

 

[the_naturalist]

I am not sure I understand the intent of this post. It appears that you are convinced that the Old Testament singles out women for punishment. Historically, women are usually not as guilty of such things. It appears to me you are somewhat prejudice in your question.

There is another problem that is almost joyfully received by many in modern society and to be honest I do not understand it. That is the cost to society by those that are unfaithful to spouses. It may be possible that married couples without children can only hurt themselves but such pollutions seldom, if ever, are confined to the childless.

The lack of discipline demonstrated by many adults is a plague in society but it is overshadowed by entertainment media. We may think of stoning as backwards and archaic but the cavalier attitude about being honest and faithful to one’s family is also costly – perhaps by magnitudes. But since we measure the advancement of society by technology – providing convincing argument is futile.

Zadok

If you really believe that "women suffrage" in history is a misconception, all I can say is that this is a statement of an ignorant person ... Women have, are, and will continue to be abused and sexually slaved ... You have absolutely no pulse on reality, past and present ... As for your other commentaries, it's too convoluted to allocate any energy of a rebutal ... The Naturalist

 

[the_naturalist]

Among many "Rape Myths", the following apply...

Myth: If a person doesn't "fight back" she/he wasn't really raped.​

FACT Rape is potentially life-threatening. Whatever a person does to survive the assault is the appropriate action.

Myth: No woman or man can be raped against her or his will. Any person could prevent rape if he or she really wanted to.

FACT In 1991, 14% of the rapes reported to the Orange County Rape Crisis Center involved the use of a weapon. 74% involved physical force and/or threats of force. Women are often physically weaker than men and are not taught to defend themselves or to be physically aggressive. Furthermore, some women are not willing to hurt another person, especially if the offender is someone they know.

Myth: You cannot be assaulted against your will.

FACT Assailants overpower their victims with the threat of violence or with actual violence. Especially in cases of acquaintance rape or incest, an assailant often uses the victim's trust in him to isolate her.

Myth: A person who has really been assaulted will be hysterical.


FACT: Survivors exhibit a spectrum of emotional responses to assault: calm, hysteria, laughter, anger, apathy, shock. Each survivor copes with the trauma of the assault in a different way.


List of RAPE MYTHS, Sociology of Rape

So, no, assuming a victim who does not scream loudly enough is willing is NOT a a reasonable assumption.​

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Well said --- I thought in the same line

 

[the_naturalist]

re: Part Ehrman:

I'm not in a position to judge, but the UNC site says:

Bart Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor and Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University.
Prof. Ehrman completed his M.Div. and Ph.D. degrees at Princeton Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude. Since then he has published extensively in the fields of New Testament and Early Christianity, having written or edited nineteen books, numerous articles, and dozens of book reviews. Among his most recent books are a college-level textbook on the New Testament, two anthologies of early Christian writings, a study of the historical Jesus as an apocalyptic prophet (Oxford Univesity Press), and a Greek-English Edition of the Apostolic Fathers for the Loeb Classical Library (Harvard University Press).
Prof. Ehrman has served as President of the Southeast Region of the Society of Biblical literature, chair of the New Testament textual criticism section of the Society, book review editor of the Journal of Biblical Literature, and editor of the monograph series The New Testament in the Greek Fathers (Scholars Press). He currently serves as co-editor of the series New Testament Tools and Studies (E. J. Brill) and on several other editorial boards for monographs in the field.
Winner of numerous university awards and grants, Prof. Ehrman is the recipient of the 1993 UNC Undergraduate Student Teaching Award, the 1994 Phillip and Ruth Hettleman Prize for Artistic and Scholarly Achievement, and the Bowman and Gordon Gray Award for excellence in teaching.



Sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

I totally agree, have read two of his books, the man is truly reasonable and honest

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Probably the majority are in independents or house groups.

Those people would fall into the category I mentioned: those who are not members of a church at all.