SOS message to Christian women and men: Do you accept the stoning of women for reasons of adultery

[tumbleweed41]

Christians don't do such things, do they.

Christianity is nothing much to do with denominations.

And few are chosen, anyway.

So people can tell me who's a Christian? Because even the angels don't know that.

Whoah! All of those claiming to be Christians cannot be Christians, because they have mutual contradiction about what a Christian is. Unless God is schizoid.

Ask the people who put up Decalogues.

But the definition is obviously of no practical use.


The person who calls himself 'Pope' heads an organisation that describes millions of people who call themselves Christians as not actually Christians- in fact, they are described as 'anathema'- cursed. Likewise, every Reformer described 'the Papacy' as Antichrist. So definitions vary, and observers need to take a stance if they are going to make constructive comment.

Is there documented evidence that every Christian has a unique view on what Christianity is?

If there are over a billion Roman Catholics, does that imply a measure of practical agreement on possibly Christian belief?

The questions still remain....

Do YOU claim to be a Christian?

Are OTHERS who claim to be Christians, but differ from your beliefs, actually Christians, in YOUR opinion.

For example, are those who claim to be Christians, who insist that the Decalogue be posted in Americas courthouses, actually Christians? In YOUR opinion?

 

[ChristineES]

I already knew that the John quote was not in the oldest manuscripts, it always says so in the translations I have read. But you never hear about people stoning adulterers nowadays. Most Christians don't even know The Law, much less follow it.

 

[Sunstone]

I already knew that the John quote was not in the oldest manuscripts, it always says so in the translations I have read. But you never hear about people stoning adulterers nowadays. Most Christians don't even know The Law, much less follow it.

Good point.

 

[kejos]

I already knew that the John quote was not in the oldest manuscripts, it always says so in the translations I have read. But you never hear about people stoning adulterers nowadays. Most Christians don't even know The Law, much less follow it.

No. They don't sacrifice bulls, either. Shameful.

 

[Autodidact]

You only know that they claim.

So how do you know?

Apparently, according to you, I have no idea. btw, what religion do you claim to be?

 

[Autodidact]

My brothers and sisters we must use the old testiment to lead us to a unsinfull world woman should know there place and stoneing is a just punishment for the wicked and the sinful

Quoted for the opportunity to point and laugh.

 

[Autodidact]

re: Part Ehrman:

I'm not in a position to judge, but the UNC site says:

Bart Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor and Chair of the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University.
Prof. Ehrman completed his M.Div. and Ph.D. degrees at Princeton Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude. Since then he has published extensively in the fields of New Testament and Early Christianity, having written or edited nineteen books, numerous articles, and dozens of book reviews. Among his most recent books are a college-level textbook on the New Testament, two anthologies of early Christian writings, a study of the historical Jesus as an apocalyptic prophet (Oxford Univesity Press), and a Greek-English Edition of the Apostolic Fathers for the Loeb Classical Library (Harvard University Press).
Prof. Ehrman has served as President of the Southeast Region of the Society of Biblical literature, chair of the New Testament textual criticism section of the Society, book review editor of the Journal of Biblical Literature, and editor of the monograph series The New Testament in the Greek Fathers (Scholars Press). He currently serves as co-editor of the series New Testament Tools and Studies (E. J. Brill) and on several other editorial boards for monographs in the field.
Winner of numerous university awards and grants, Prof. Ehrman is the recipient of the 1993 UNC Undergraduate Student Teaching Award, the 1994 Phillip and Ruth Hettleman Prize for Artistic and Scholarly Achievement, and the Bowman and Gordon Gray Award for excellence in teaching.



Sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

 

[kejos]

Sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

Oh he does.

That doesn't meant that he tells the truth though, does it.

 

[Autodidact]

Oh he does.

That doesn't meant that he tells the truth though, does it.

Are you accusing him of lying? How would that work--wouldn't other scholars point it out? Or are you just saying you disagree with him?

btw, here's what you actually said:
It may appear a trifle fussy, but there is a tendency for the young and naive, who have precious little in their modern educations to warn them to do otherwise, to treat the likes of Ehrman as serious authorities.

That reads to me as an accusation of poor scholarship. If not, what did you mean exactly?

So, kejos, are you saying that there are a lot of people who claim to be Christian but really aren't?

 

[kejos]

Are you accusing him of lying? How would that work--wouldn't other scholars point it out?

No. It just isn't done.

So, kejos, are you saying that there are a lot of people who claim to be Christian but really aren't?

What I'm saying is that the mention of Ehrman was and remains entirely gratuitous in this thread.

 

[Luminous]

Oh he does.

That doesn't meant that he tells the truth though, does it.

apperantly some Christians have a great way to tell half truths and re-write the idol scripture which they call "word of God". It doesn't mean you tell the truth either.

 

[Autodidact]

No. It just isn't done.

You're joking, right? Scholars make their livings tearing each other to shreds.

What I'm saying is that the mention of Ehrman was and remains entirely gratuitous in this thread.

(1) You have an odd way of expressing yourself.
(2) Why do you say that? Isn't a respected scholar a good source to cite?

 

[Autodidact]

kejos:

Is it your claim that many people who call themselves Christian actually are not?

 

[kejos]

You're joking, right? Scholars make their livings tearing each other to shreds.

So you say that scholars call each other liars. Ok.

 

[kejos]

apperantly some Christians have a great way to tell half truths and re-write the idol scripture which they call "word of God".

Wouldn't you say that such people cannot be doing as Christ wanted?

It doesn't mean you tell the truth either.

Quite so.

 

[T-Dawg]

Truly, kejos, you are a dishonest and wicked man.

I've read through this entire thread, and you've repetitively used logical fallacies (particularly the "No True Scotsman"), dodged questions, made ad honinem attacks, and contradicted yourself numerous times. You are much like the Bible.

You Deceivers will be punished in the afterlife as you realize what kind of place "heaven" truly is. I just hope you take no one among us with you.

 

[Autodidact]

So you say that scholars call each other liars. Ok.

No, that's not at all what I said. You seem to have as odd a way of reading other people's writing, as you do of expressing yourself.

Scholarly discourse is largely a form of polite argumentation, and any inaccuracy is rapidly pilloried. If Bart Ehrman were in the habit of lying, it would be quickly detected and exposed by his fellow scholars. I have not heard of any such cases.

Are you in the habit of making baseless slurs against the integrity of reputable scholars?

Can you provide a single example of Professor Ehrman failing to be honest?

ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN AREN'T?

 

[kejos]

No, that's not at all what I said.

So tearing each other to shreds is jolly civilised after all.

 

[Autodidact]

kejos; PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY'RE CHRISTIAN--ARE YOU SAYING THAT MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY AREN'T?

 

[tumbleweed41]

The questions still remain....

Do YOU claim to be a Christian?

Are OTHERS who claim to be Christians, but differ from your beliefs, actually Christians, in YOUR opinion.

For example, are those who claim to be Christians, who insist that the Decalogue be posted in Americas courthouses, actually Christians? In YOUR opinion?

Any day now......