Southern Baptists: Supreme Court is not final authority on gay marriage

[leibowde84]

I'm certain the Southern Baptist leadership knows full well that none of their churches or pastors will be obligated to marry homosexuals, but pretends they will in order to foment opposition to a law that goes against their religious beliefs. Never underestimate the ignorance of any committed flock of believers.

They can't just pick up a newspaper?

 

[leibowde84]

This doesn't surprise me. It seems they haven't changed much since I left.

You left?! But it sounds like so much fun.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm certain the Southern Baptist leadership knows full well that none of their churches or pastors will be obligated to marry homosexuals, but pretends they will in order to foment opposition to a law that goes against their religious beliefs. Never underestimate the ignorance of any committed flock of believers.

This is a group that tends to whole-heartedly believe it is illegal to pray at a public school, that wearing a cross at school can be a potential risk, the world is out to get them, and they are standing at the front lines of a spiritual war and it is up to them to don the Armor of God and prevent the forces of Satan from taking control of the world.

 

[Skwim]

They can't just pick up a newspaper?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the information would be on the comics page.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You left?! But it sounds like so much fun.

If I had known better at the time, I would have ran the time I saw literature being discarded from the small church library because it wasn't from an "approved" author, and he was not "approved" because he was of a different denomination and had a fundamentally different interpretation of some part of the Bible.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Well, actually the Supreme Court is the final word on legal matters in the US. Do they not teach civics courses down there anymore?

 

[leibowde84]

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the information would be on the comics page.

Touche.

 

[leibowde84]

If I had known better at the time, I would have ran the time I saw literature being discarded from the small church library because it wasn't from an "approved" author, and he was not "approved" because he was of a different denomination and had a fundamentally different interpretation of some part of the Bible.

Lol. Are you sure that the parishioner wasn't named Goebbels or Himmler?

 

[JFish123]

"The president of the Southern Baptist Convention has a message regarding the looming Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage: We will not obey.

“The Supreme Court of the United States is not the final authority nor is the culture itself,” declared Ronnie Floyd, the elected leader of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. “The Bible is God’s final authority about marriage and on this book we stand.”

Dr. Floyd’s powerful and provocative comments were met with thunderous applause and standing ovations from thousands of Southern Baptist messengers meeting in Columbus, Ohio.

The issue facing Southern Baptists is one that will face every person of faith in the United States – do you follow God or the government?
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Evangelical Christians across America fear that a decision legalizing same-sex marriage will have a devastating impact on religious liberty."
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This would be funny if it wasn't so sad. I suppose one could hope these SBs got so pissed they would all defect to Cuba or maybe the Galapagos islands. . . . . . . . .One could hope.


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Yeah, how dare they stand up for their convictions! I mean really...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah, how dare they stand up for their convictions! I mean really...

Their convictions include the full belief that allowing homosexual marriage is an assault on god's authority, that it is an infringement upon their rights, and that it is a sign that society is turning to Satan.
Southern Baptist do tend to take the Bible very seriously and very literally.

 

[Skwim]

Yeah, how dare they stand up for their convictions! I mean really...

Hey, stand up for your silly convictions all you want, just make sure they're relevant or you'll come off as a goof-ball.

 

[RedDragon94]

People will want their churches to improve.

The day that church members in my denomination try to force gay marriage on the ministers is the day that the denomination will die out. We are dedicated to the idea of critiquing the culture, not going with the culture. Southern Baptist ministers will not tolerate that kind of pressure from their members.

 

[RedDragon94]

There is no risk or threat of any Church being forced to perform or even recognize same sex marriage. That is nothing but a straw man, as only civil marriage is at issue.

Okay well, I don't think that the SBC should try to tell the government what to do.

 

[gsa]

The day that church members in my denomination try to force gay marriage on the ministers is the day that the denomination will die out. We are dedicated to the idea of critiquing the culture, not going with the culture. Southern Baptist ministers will not tolerate that kind of pressure from their members.

Almost every denomination (or religion) that stands "outside" the culture to critique it from a self-styled position of holiness is either laughably steeped in the very culture they claim to criticize or, alternatively, a separatist authoritarian cult. What does a marauding pack of gluttonous misogynists, racists and homophobes have to teach us about holiness as perceived by the likes of the zealous Hebrews or the early world denying acolytes of Paul of Tarsus? They'd find them bizarre and repulsive, albeit not for the reasons that people in this country find them bizarre and repulsive. These people didn't repudiate their formative and eager defense of slavery, segregation, white supremacy and racism until 1995. Recent lawsuits and high profile scandals have shown remarkable hypocrisy on the issue of child sexual abuse within the SBC, revealing the existence of a clergy protection racket as bad as anything found within the RCC. A decade ago, they were bombastically proclaiming their culture war triumph and chastising the mainline denominations, pointing to bleeding membership rolls. Today, the SBC is on the verge of its own great recession.

Southern Baptists seem to love capitalism, so people who cannot change the denomination will simply vote with their feet. That's the market for you.

 

[RedDragon94]

Almost every denomination (or religion) that stands "outside" the culture to critique it from a self-styled position of holiness is either laughably steeped in the very culture they claim to criticize or, alternatively, a separatist authoritarian cult. What does a marauding pack of gluttonous misogynists, racists and homophobes have to teach us about holiness as perceived by the likes of the zealous Hebrews or the early world denying acolytes of Paul of Tarsus? They'd find them bizarre and repulsive, albeit not for the reasons that people in this country find them bizarre and repulsive. These people didn't repudiate their formative and eager defense of slavery, segregation, white supremacy and racism until 1995. Recent lawsuits and high profile scandals have shown remarkable hypocrisy on the issue of child sexual abuse within the SBC, revealing the existence of a clergy protection racket as bad as anything found within the RCC. A decade ago, they were bombastically proclaiming their culture war triumph and chastising the mainline denominations, pointing to bleeding membership rolls. Today, the SBC is on the verge of its own great recession.

Southern Baptists seem to love capitalism, so people who cannot change the denomination will simply vote with their feet. That's the market for you.

#1 You have never been one.
#2 I'd like to know where you got your information from about the stuff that you say happened in 1995.
#3 I'd like to know what "recent lawsuits and high profile scandals" you're referring to. And don't, I repeat, don't mention the Duggars.
#4 We know exactly why you find us repulsive. We don't want you to get married in the church and you don't like it. Well guess what, there may be some churches that would but not everybody is scared of the world.

 

[RedDragon94]

You didn't say anything.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It seems a forum ghost ate it.
Well blame the ghost for all the quoting mishaps as well.

 

[gsa]

#1 You have never been one.
#2 I'd like to know where you got your information from about the stuff that you say happened in 1995.
#3 I'd like to know what "recent lawsuits and high profile scandals" you're referring to. And don't, I repeat, don't mention the Duggars.
#4 We know exactly why you find us repulsive. We don't want you to get married in the church and you don't like it. Well guess what, there may be some churches that would but not everybody is scared of the world.

1. I know. I have never been a Mormon, a Catholic, a Muslim or Baha'i. And I will never be any of those things, because they are not congruent with my understanding of reality and my values, which I regard as superior to those theological and value systems.

2. 1995 Resolution on Racial Reconciliation.

3. This article discusses a rather high profile case before the Maryland Court of Appeals last year. To start.

4. I have zero desire to set foot in an SBC church, much less marry in one. My life does not revolve around defending LGBT rights. I do not like the SBC because I think it is an oppressive, reactionary institution with a claim of moral leadership that is about as serious as any made by the Confederate States of America. It would be far preferable for the denomination to go extinct than it would be to see it reformed, because it is still, at the end of the day, an institution founded on dangerous superstition, with a nasty history of oppression and bigotry.

 

[columbus]

You didn't say anything.

My phone is misbehaving.

Tom

 

[columbus]

The day that church members in my denomination try to force gay marriage on the ministers is the day that the denomination will die out. We are dedicated to the idea of critiquing the culture, not going with the culture. Southern Baptist ministers will not tolerate that kind of pressure from their members.

I does seem that the SBC elite has painted itself into an uncomfortably small corner by demonizing gay people for a couple of decades.
They're not the only ones. A lot of politicians are in the same predicament.
Tom