Southern Baptists: Supreme Court is not final authority on gay marriage

[RedDragon94]

1. I know. I have never been a Mormon, a Catholic, a Muslim or Baha'i. And I will never be any of those things, because they are not congruent with my understanding of reality and my values, which I regard as superior to those theological and value systems.

Do you realize that people are imperfect, right? I mean look at all the things you listed. You're practically admitting that man has a sin nature.

2. 1995 Resolution on Racial Reconciliation.

I was a year old, there's nothing I can do about it. We are now trying to bring the denomination into a multicultural era.

3. This article discusses a rather high profile case before the Maryland Court of Appeals last year. To start.

Haven't heard anything about it. I didn't think that Sovereign Grace was Southern Baptist, they believe in speaking in tongues. A lot of southern Baptists would say that makes them more Charismatic.

4. I have zero desire to set foot in an SBC church, much less marry in one. My life does not revolve around defending LGBT rights. I do not like the SBC because I think it is an oppressive, reactionary institution with a claim of moral leadership that is about as serious as any made by the Confederate States of America. It would be far preferable for the denomination to go extinct than it would be to see it reformed, because it is still, at the end of the day, an institution founded on dangerous superstition, with a nasty history of oppression and bigotry.

Ever heard of the word redemption? That's what God is doing with the Southern Baptist Convention.

My phone is misbehaving.

Tom

Sorry to hear...

 

[RedDragon94]

I does seem that the SBC elite has painted itself into an uncomfortably small corner by demonizing gay people for a couple of decades.
They're not the only ones. A lot of politicians are in the same predicament.
Tom

Well we shouldn't have. Believe it or not we would allow them to come to church to hear the Gospel. The denomination just needs to get a better understanding of the Gospel than what they've had.

 

[gsa]

Do you realize that people are imperfect, right? I mean look at all the things you listed. You're practically admitting that man has a sin nature.

No, I am providing an account of your religious tradition's decidedly immoral behavior. What you call "sin" is a primitive, incoherent concept of transgressing against the boundaries set by the various cults of Yahweh. The fact that people are imperfect does not excuse the apologists of slavery, genocide and child sexual abuse.

I was a year old, there's nothing I can do about it. We are now trying to bring the denomination into a multicultural era.

Ok. I don't really see why you bothered disputing something as obvious as the origins and disposition of your denomination. The support for slavery and racism was hardly a secret, so why contest it when I brought it up?

Haven't heard anything about it. I didn't think that Sovereign Grace was Southern Baptist, they believe in speaking in tongues. A lot of southern Baptists would say that makes them more Charismatic.

You should pay more attention, as your denomination cut formal ties with them after this scandal emerged, just last year. See also here.

Ever heard of the word redemption? That's what God is doing with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Yahweh also redeems people by consuming them in fire.

 

[Neo Deist]

I do not like the SBC because I think it is an oppressive, reactionary institution with a claim of moral leadership that is about as serious as any made by the Confederate States of America.

What was wrong with the CSA?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What was wrong with the CSA?

Slavery is a good start.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeah, how dare they stand up for their convictions! I mean really...

Shouldn't convictions be about how one lives their own life, rather than about how others live theirs? No one is asking religious people to change what or how they practice and believe. They're only asking that these beliefs and practices not be imposed upon others. This is a nation founded upon the principle of liberty, after all.

 

[JFish123]

Shouldn't convictions be about how one lives their own life, rather than about how others live theirs? No one is asking religious people to change what or how they practice and believe. They're only asking that these beliefs and practices not be imposed upon others. This is a nation founded upon the principle of liberty, after all.

 

[Neo Deist]

Slavery is a good start.

Well, the mindset of the time was that the OT condoned it, and God even commanded it. We're talking about the Bible Belt after all. That fact aside, less than 10% (some put it closer to 5%) of all Southerners had slaves as they (and plantations) were expensive. Most were poor farmers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, the mindset of the time was that the OT condoned it, and God even commanded it.

That doesn't excuse the fact they allowed it.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

If they want Biblical marriage, then shouldn't they be pushing polygamy?

 

[Muffled]

This doesn't surprise me...millions in America see liberty being granted to homosexuals as liberty taken from them.
Loud, ignorant leaders like this only stoke the flames.

I believe liberty is not the issue. I beleive they can do what ever they want about it but that does not mean that I have to accept what they do and I don't.

 

[Muffled]

Obey what? These people are so frackin' stupid they don't understand the concept and purpose of the First Amendment. They are not going to be forced to marry anyone they don't want to. Ye Gods! I wish there was a chemical we could put in the water supply to eradicate stupidity.

I believe the government will try to force churches to do things and it has already done that in the past and the Obama regime has been the worst so far. JUst because the Democratic part had enough Christians t keep the leadership from throwing God out of the party does not mean the leadership has changed its mind any.

 

[Muffled]

If they want Biblical marriage, then shouldn't they be pushing polygamy?

I believe there is an injuction against polygamy in the Bible so the answer is no.

 

[Jainarayan]

I believe the government will try to force churches to do things and it has already done that in the past and the Obama regime has been the worst so far. JUst because the Democratic part had enough Christians t keep the leadership from throwing God out of the party does not mean the leadership has changed its mind any.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -
First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Which part is giving you a problem?

Btw, what has the government tried to force churches to do?

 

[metis]

I think that some here get carried away with their own rhetoric.

First of all, no Supreme Court decision is at all likely to force churches/synagogues/mosques to perform or recognize SSM. Secondly, if one doesn't like SSM, then let me suggest they not take on a marriage partner of the same sex.

Thirdly, the Establishment Clause found within the 1st Amendment says that we do not have an established religion here, so for one to view SSM only in regards to their particular religious belief is really quite short-sighted. Yes, they have the legal right to do so, but jamming particular religious beliefs down the throat of others certainly makes us less free as a country, unless harm can be established and verified objectively.

Finally, the accusation that this administration and the Democratic Party in general is anti-religious is nothing short of complete nonsense.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I believe there is an injuction against polygamy in the Bible so the answer is no.

There may be. I admit my Biblical scholarship is limited. But I have read through much of the Old Testament, which is where most of the condemnation of homosexuality takes place, and polygamy is very much present. Christ was silent on homosexuality, and when it came to marriage, seem to think that it was good only if you couldn't handle chastity. That, of course, leaves the marriage question wide open.

 

[Katzpur]

Shouldn't convictions be about how one lives their own life, rather than about how others live theirs?

Yes!!!!!

 

[Father Heathen]

If they want Biblical marriage, then shouldn't they be pushing polygamy?

Don't forget that Exodus gives instruction on how to sell ones own daughter into an arranged marriage.

 

[Muffled]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -
First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Which part is giving you a problem?

Btw, what has the government tried to force churches to do?

I believe they have tried to force Roman Catholics to provide contraception.

 

[Muffled]

There may be. I admit my Biblical scholarship is limited. But I have read through much of the Old Testament, which is where most of the condemnation of homosexuality takes place, and polygamy is very much present. Christ was silent on homosexuality, and when it came to marriage, seem to think that it was good only if you couldn't handle chastity. That, of course, leaves the marriage question wide open.

I believe you will also find murder gang rape and a host of other sins but that doesn't mean that just because they are in the Bible that God appoves of them.

I believe He never said anything about UFO's so UFO's must be real, lol.

I believe somehow I missed that so maybe you could point it out.