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St. Paul on Same Sex Marriage.

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Exegesis associated with the thread, Jesus on Same Sex Marriage (which became the essay by that name), pointed out that Jesus inferred and prophesied that his followers could know the end of the age, and of the imminence of his post apocalyptic return, when, as was the case in the antediluvian civilization, and Sodom and Gomorrah, same-sex coupling became normalized to the point of allowing marriages of persons of the same sexual gender.

Whereas Jesus said nothing about homosexuality but that when it was normalized it would be the primary sign of the end of the age, his disciple, St. Paul, put forth a theological treatise in the first chapter of his letter to the Roman's that takes a stab at why homosexuality will be the final sign marking the final decades of the end of civilization as we know it. In his deconstruction of homosexuality, he implies that a homosexual mind and mentality comes before, and is the root cause concerning, rampant biological homosexuality. Exegesis of the mid to latter part of Romans chapter one justifies the fact that St. Paul explicitly makes this claim. What he's implying is that a mind and or a society that doesn't distinguish between binary-reality versus an infinite anything goes (or merely non-binary) state of affairs, is a mind (and or society) with fatal flaws and fatal liabilities.

In Paul's thinking "male/female" is binary-reality codified in human biology (tragic though that codification, Genesis 2:21, may be).1 He's implying that rampant homosexuality is the canary in the coal-mine concerning a society or civilization that's about to implode or explode because it's opened the Pandora's box containing a kind of thought that no longer confines itself to the binary realities of the current world order. In Paul's parlance, and thinking, non-binary thought denies the limitations and realities of the current world order as though the mind, which in some sense really does transcend these limitations and liabilities, can ignore the body, and the world, and storm the gates of heaven bull-at-a-gate, ignorant, and ignoring, the realities of the body and its world.

The great irony, or paradox, is that Paul himself claims that in Christ's resurrected Church, there will be no binary gender, no male or female, such that one might wonder why a movement to be inclusive toward same-sex relationships, and non-binary identification, would be in the cross-hairs of Paul's buggy-whip rather than something he would applaud? Why does Paul demonize something that appears to be an evolutionary advance toward the state of perfection he himself dangles in front of Christians as the goal?




John
 
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Suave

Simulated character
Exegesis associated with the thread, Jesus on Same Sex Marriage (which became the essay by that name), pointed out that Jesus inferred and prophesied that his followers could know the end of the age, and of the imminence of his post apocalyptic return, when, as was the case in the antediluvian civilization, and Sodom and Gomorrah, same-sex coupling became normalized to the point of allowing marriages of persons of the same sexual gender.

Whereas Jesus said nothing about homosexuality but that when it was normalized it would be the primary sign of the end of the age, his disciple, St. Paul, put forth a theological treatise in the first chapter of his letter to the Roman's that takes a stab at why homosexuality will be the final sign marking the final decades of the end of civilization as we know it. In his deconstruction of homosexuality, he implies that a homosexual mind and mentality comes before, and is the root cause concerning, rampant biological homosexuality. Exegesis of the mid to latter part of Romans chapter one justifies the fact that St. Paul explicitly makes this claim. What he's implying is that a mind and or a society that doesn't distinguish between binary-reality versus an infinite anything goes (or merely non-binary) state of affairs, is a mind (and or society) with fatal flaws and fatal liabilities.

In Paul's thinking "male/female" is binary-reality codified in human biology (tragic though that codification, Genesis 2:21, may be).1 He's implying that rampant homosexuality is the canary in the coal-mine concerning a society or civilization that's about to implode or explode because it's opened the Pandora's box containing a kind of thought that no longer confines itself to the binary realities of the current world order. In Paul's parlance, and thinking, non-binary thought denies the limitations and realities of the current world order as though the mind, which in some sense really does transcend these limitations and liabilities, can ignore the body, and the world, and storm the gates of heaven bull-at-a-gate, ignorant, and ignoring, the realities of the body and its world.

The great irony, or paradox, is that Paul himself claims that in Christ's resurrected Church, there will be no binary gender, no male or female, such that one might wonder why a movement to include same-sex relationships, and non-binary identification, would be in the cross-hairs of Paul's buggy-whip rather than something he would applaud? Why does Paul demonize something that appears to be an evolutionary advance toward the state of perfection he himself dangles in front of Christians as the goal?




John

Since Christianity might have been such an obscure cult during most of Paul's life, I find Paul's claim of having persecuted many Christians as being rather quite dubious, this because there would not have been many Christians around Paul for him to have persecuted. Hence, I would not believe every claim written by Paul.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
The great irony, or paradox, is that Paul himself claims that in Christ's resurrected Church, there will be no binary gender, no male or female, such that one might wonder why a movement to include same-sex relationships, and non-binary identification, would be in the cross-hairs of Paul's buggy-whip rather than something he would applaud? Why does Paul demonize something that appears to be an evolutionary advance toward the state of perfection he himself dangles in front of Christians as the goal?
Lol, that's absurd. There's no evolutionary advantage to having sex in ways that the body is not designed for. It's a sure cause of sexual desease and contributes nothing to us as a species.
 

Davi Carvalho

New Member
Indeed, in the resurrection there won't be binary genders, but there also won't be any romantic/sexual relationships, as Jesus points out in Matthew 22:30. This kind of relationship is designed specifically to our current human nature, and it should be between a man and a woman.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
More conservative Christians are obsessed with sex and sexuality. There seems to be a sort of social abuse going on this this obsession, as there is no reason for any Christian to oppose the freedom and personal choice for gay people. I suspect much of this attitude goes back to an archaic time like the 40's and 50's where there were strong ideals for men and women, and marriage is permanent and only between mean and women. Today science allows us to understand why gay people are how they are, and it isn't a choice. We (well, most of us) have also evolved socially and morally and accept gay people, and even their right to have legal protection as guaranteed by marriage or civil union. The whole origin of marriage was a business transaction, and marriage licenses still are a legal contract that requires legal work to dissolve.

So I find the whole assertion that gay marriage is indicating the end times type belief rather gay blaming. The only thing this attitude can achieve is more intolerance and violence against gays. Will Christians think this will save us from God's wrath, much like tossing a virgin into a volcano will appease the gods?
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
There have been studies that reveal there is more gay behavior among certain animals when their population numbers are very high.

Interesting. I have heard the topic brought up, but hadn't really looked into it. That sounds like it could be changeable though. Sexual orientation is pretty stable through life. Of course animals have instincts that we don't have.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
The great irony, or paradox, is that Paul himself claims that in Christ's resurrected Church, there will be no binary gender, no male or female

There is no irony. The glorified anointed Christian congregation (church) in heaven is raised in the divine form of God and his son Jesus Christ. They are spirits and are genderless. Humans were created with gender and to procreate. Angels do not procreate.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
There is no irony. The glorified anointed Christian congregation (church) in heaven is raised in the divine form of God and his son Jesus Christ. They are spirits and are genderless. Humans were created with gender and to procreate. Angels do not procreate.
Do you think God has a gender?
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Since Christianity might have been such an obscure cult during most of Paul's life, I find Paul's claim of having persecuted many Christians as being rather quite dubious, this because there would not have been many Christians around Paul for him to have persecuted. Hence, I would not believe every claim written by Paul.

Are there any claims in the New Testament you would believe?




John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Lol, that's absurd. There's no evolutionary advantage to having sex in ways that the body is not designed for. It's a sure cause of sexual desease and contributes nothing to us as a species.

Jesus and Paul implied there is no biological sex in the resurrected Church.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
More conservative Christians are obsessed with sex and sexuality. There seems to be a sort of social abuse going on this this obsession, as there is no reason for any Christian to oppose the freedom and personal choice for gay people.

I see the statement above as just the sort of homo-epistemological thought that's in the cross-hairs of the thread. You claim there's no reason for Christians to oppose the freedom and personal choice for gay people as though there's no possibility of binary difference of opinion.

I don't for a second believe you don't have multiple good and sound reasons to voice and support your opinion. I probably agree with many of them. But, imo, it's the plague of homo-epistemological thinking that believes there's no binary opposition to your good, sound, reasons, that are themselves, the opposing viewpoint, good and sound in another context, a different viewpoint, and another worldview.



John
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I see the statement above as just the sort of homo-epistemological thought that's in the cross-hairs of the thread. You claim there's no reason for Christians to oppose the freedom and personal choice for gay people as though there's no possibility of binary difference of opinion.
A Christian can and does have a different attitude than what I suggest. It's just anti-Christ to hold it.

I don't for a second believe you don't have multiple good and sound reasons to voice and support your opinion. I probably agree with many of them. But, imo, it's the plague of homo-epistemological thinking that believes there's no binary opposition to your good, sound, reasons, that are themselves, the opposing viewpoint, good and sound in another context, a different viewpoint, and another worldview.
So you may be suffering an inner conflict between your deeper moral sense that is open to gay marriage, and the dogma you adhere to has a prohibition on it?
 
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