Steven Hawking warns not to talk to aliens

[Willamena]

Let me spell it out:

N is the number of communicative civilizations.

R is the rate of formation of suitable stars. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fp is the fraction of those stars with planets. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

ne is the number of Earth-like planets per solar system. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fl is the fraction of planets with life. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fi is the fraction of planets with intelligent life. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fc is the fraction of planets with communicating technology. Can we closely estimate this number? Not in a million years.

L is the lifetime of communicating civilizations. Can we closely estimate this number? No.



Because we don't know doesn't give credibility to the equation.

 

[outhouse]

Let me spell it out:

N is the number of communicative civilizations.

R is the rate of formation of suitable stars. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fp is the fraction of those stars with planets. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

ne is the number of Earth-like planets per solar system. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fl is the fraction of planets with life. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fi is the fraction of planets with intelligent life. Can we closely estimate this number? No.

fc is the fraction of planets with communicating technology. Can we closely estimate this number? Not in a million years.

L is the lifetime of communicating civilizations. Can we closely estimate this number? No.



Because we don't know doesn't give credibility to the equation.

Im sorry but you are wrong on so many levels.


N is unknown because we are so primitive

The rest fall under "It is not zero either leaving possibilities" and that is what its all about



Let me spell it out for you

because we exist gives all the credibility to and for the equation to exist.


your math does not apply

 

[outhouse]

you seem to mistake the drake equation.

It is only a possibility for life elsewhere it is not proof



the fact we exist dictates in such a large universe, it would be asinine to think we are alone.

The fact we have things that are in the shy that credible people cannot identity also gives this credit.


you have the minority view

 

[Willamena]

because we exist gives all the credibility to and for the equation to exist.

But why?

(The existence of the equation isn't at issue.)

 

[Otherright]

See, I am of the opinion that somewhere out there, just because of possibility, there is life elsewhere. The degree of its complexity, I have no idea. I don't think it comes to visit us. I think most of what we see in the sky is either a natural phenom or experimental aircraft.

 

[outhouse]

But why?

(The existence of the equation isn't at issue.)

because that changes a few numbers from 0 to 1

we are included in the equation

 

[Willamena]

because that changes a few numbers from 0 to 1

we are included in the equation

Alright... is "1" a good estimate that can be plugged into each of the variables?

(No one here but you suggested zero.)

 

[outhouse]

what we see in the sky is either a natural phenom or experimental aircraft.

Thing is im a huge skeptic

More so then a believer.

All the evidence put together is overwelming

 

[outhouse]

Alright... is "1" a good estimate that can be plugged into each of the variables?

no, but its not zero

anything beyond zero is life or the possibility

 

[Willamena]

Alright... the equation works well with "1" for each of the estimates. I'm good with that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You're not really trying, and I suspect just trolling.

Sadly, I suspect he actually believes he knows what he's talking about. It's not so much trolling as scientific illiteracy wrapped in pretense.

 

[outhouse]

Sadly, I suspect he actually believes he knows what he's talking about. It's not so much trolling as scientific illiteracy wrapped in pretense.

you can guess all you like, and have a different opinion then mine even if it is a minority view.

But unlike you and willamena i will not resort to personal attacks.

 

[non-duality]

Hawking is right. Even if extraterrestial ones would come into peaceful intentions, then it would be nevertheless a substantial danger for us humans. Because they would contaminate our world inevitably with microbes, which would make excessive demands of our immune system hopelessly. These could displace partially terrestrial microbes. Since our life is dependent on our terrestrial bacteria however, it would lead the terrestrial natures into a first distress.
Therefore it would be better to leave al contact just on electromagnetical waves.

 

[DDWW]

I think the day human beings and intelligent aliens will be forever marked in history, and could be either a great artistic, creative, scientific period of time and generally great thing... or everything could go pear shaped and we end up in a war of some kind and a bunch of humans and aliens would die... Proceed with caution I say!

 

[Lahunken]

You can't find any useful extraterrestrial transmissions within the electromagnetic spectrum: It''s obsolete. Advanced extraterrestrial civilizations use probability transduction communication, which is faster than light. And, spacecraft is obsolete. They use probability transduction transportation, which is faster than light. It's like a "beamer" or "star gate".
You may teleport to anywhere, any time, that you have tuned into by increasing the current analogue in electricity (like the Phaladelphia Experiment), or the entropy production rate in thermodynamics (polarity cancellation rate), beyond the light speed equivalency.
Communication with advanced extraterrestrial civilizations may be done with a common radionic machine. With Earthlings they use the serial numbers of the Kang Xi radicals to communicate. I made my own radionic machine out of electronic parts, using the variable capacitors and potentiometers for number dials; and, when my finger sticks on the rubbing plate I note those numbers I was at, as I was turning the dials. I simply set the dials, over and over, to reply. A message may be put in the sampling cup, written in Kang Xi radicals, and left after appropriate tuning, which you will be taught by reception. That why I "always have an answer". For more information Google "lahunken".

 

[jelly]

You can't find any useful extraterrestrial transmissions within the electromagnetic spectrum: It''s obsolete. Advanced extraterrestrial civilizations use probability transduction communication, which is faster than light. And, spacecraft is obsolete. They use probability transduction transportation, which is faster than light. It's like a "beamer" or "star gate".
You may teleport to anywhere, any time, that you have tuned into by increasing the current analogue in electricity (like the Phaladelphia Experiment), or the entropy production rate in thermodynamics (polarity cancellation rate), beyond the light speed equivalency.
Communication with advanced extraterrestrial civilizations may be done with a common radionic machine. With Earthlings they use the serial numbers of the Kang Xi radicals to communicate. I made my own radionic machine out of electronic parts, using the variable capacitors and potentiometers for number dials; and, when my finger sticks on the rubbing plate I note those numbers I was at, as I was turning the dials. I simply set the dials, over and over, to reply. A message may be put in the sampling cup, written in Kang Xi radicals, and left after appropriate tuning, which you will be taught by reception. That why I "always have an answer". For more information Google "lahunken".

I am so glad you posted this.

 

[PolyHedral]

You can't find any useful extraterrestrial transmissions within the electromagnetic spectrum: It''s obsolete. Advanced extraterrestrial civilizations use probability transduction communication, which is faster than light.

You made that up. Faster than light communication is not permitted by current physics.

 

[outhouse]

You made that up. Faster than light communication is not permitted by current physics.

true

this part was correct

You can't find any useful extraterrestrial transmissions within the electromagnetic spectrum: It''s obsolete

 

[Lahunken]

You can't find any useful extraterrestrial transmissions within the electromagnetic spectrum: It''s obsolete. Advanced extraterrestrial civilizations use probability transduction communication, which is faster than light. And, spacecraft is obsolete. They use probability transduction transportation, which is faster than light. It's like a "beamer" or "star gate".
You may teleport to anywhere, any time, that you have tuned into by increasing the current analogue in electricity (like the Phaladelphia Experiment), or the entropy production rate in thermodynamics (polarity cancellation rate), beyond the light speed equivalency.

Communication with advanced extraterrestrial civilizations may be done with a common radionic machine. With Earthlings they use the serial numbers of the Kang Xi radicals to communicate. I made my own radionic machine out of electronic parts, using the variable capacitors and potentiometers for number dials, and when my finger sticks on the rubbing plate I note those numbers I was at, as I was turning the dials. I simply set the dials, over and over, to reply. A message may be put in the sampling cup, written in Kang Xi radicals, and left after appropriate tuning, which you will be taught by reception. That why I "always have an answer".

 

[otokage007]

I understand that Hawking may think the "conquest of america" could be repeated. But I think he is totally wrong.

Even nowadays, we discover tribes that have been hundreds of years isolated from the modern world and I haven't heard yet about the explorer starting a killing spree against that people.

The america conquest was between two civilizations much more similar than the alien would be to us. The explorers were ignorant, were also christian fanatics (like prety much everyone in that age) and were very very greedy. And well, the american tribes sacrificating humans surely were a bit provocative.

The situation has nothing to be compared to a contact with aliens. If we contact them, I can only imagine this scenario:

-They are in the same position as us, I mean, they are also searching for life on other planets (what's evil about that?).

-They are over us, so they can reach our world. If this happens, I seriously doubt they are like spanish explorers in america. Aliens that can travel though space to that scale must be incredibly intelligent, so it's nonsense to think they want to harm us without reason (because can you think of a good reason to that?)

By the way, I think the hostile behavior is improvable but could happen because of some of this reasons:

-They need resources so they come to our planet, kill everyone and steal everything. But what resource do they need? Food? I doubt they can't produce it. Minerals? there's plenty of planets with the same minerals as Earth and they are unhabited. Maybe wood? Well they can just ask for it, or produce it or whatever.

-Their society is based on slavery so they get us all as servants. But again, I don't think a space-travel civilization would do something so barbarian because it doesn't match with their super-inteligence.