Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[Shadow Wolf]

And nature does give us "black and white".

Not even death is black and white.

 

[Copernicus]

I am beginning to think that the only way to resolve this controversy is for Americans to set up body scanners at entrances to school bathrooms. That way, Republican parents will know that their children are safe and protected from cross-gender contamination.

 

[syo]

I am beginning to think that the only way to resolve this controversy is for Americans to set up body scanners at entrances to school bathrooms. That way, parents will know that their children are safe and protected from cross-gender contamination.

Or build three bathrooms. Men, women, queer.

 

[SomeRandom]

No, there are males that appear to be women. A male is a person that has a Y chromosome. And nature does give us "black and white".

Ahh so a person literally born with external female genitalia, a uterus and fallopian tubes (Swyer Syndrome) are male because of their Y chromosome.
Interesting
The SRY gene in the Y chromosome is what typically causes testes to develop in the embryo, causing internal and external male characteristics to develop. Though if there is a mutation in said gene then female sex characteristics develop instead. Internal and/or external, depending on the circumstances. This is in spite of possessing a Y chromosome

I remember learning that in high school like 10 years ago

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think that flag burning is a perfectly valid form of free speech. My problem with it is that it is a very stupid tactic for someone who wants to promote a point of view, because it is intended to cause outrage rather than thought. There are more intelligent ways to get a point across. Burning Korans or Bibles is just as stupid, IMO. Excellent ways to provoke an angry rejection of whatever ideas the acts are intended to promote.

That kind of behavior certainly comes across as emotional provocation.

Your right though, free speech and expression ought to be preserved no matter what it is. No matter how stupid it gets.


No doubt it's better though to go through civil discourse and debate as some cannot control themselves when antagonized, albiet I can also see it as letting off steam as well.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Or build three bathrooms. Men, women, queer.

That would solve the issues. Or even private unisex bathrooms can be built to accommodate all sexes.

 

[Copernicus]

That would solve the issues. Or even private unisex bathrooms can be built to accommodate all sexes.

Personally, I think we could save a lot of money and angst by not worrying so much about who might be sitting in the next toilet stall. It is rather humorous that bathrooms are so much at the center of transgender politics. Having traveled to many countries in my life, I've come to understand that it is possible to survive in places even where they have unisex toilets.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Personally, I think we could save a lot of money and angst by not worrying so much about who might be sitting in the next toilet stall. It is rather humorous that bathrooms are so much at the center of transgender politics. Having traveled to many countries in my life, I've come to understand that it is possible to survive in places even where they have unisex toilets.

Unisex is definitely the answer. I think people tend to over complicate things that only require a simple solution.

 

[Kfox]

I don't know how much biology you've studied, but I think you've got it backwards. The biology can be much more complicated than you think, and people actually depend more on phenotypic than genotypic characteristics to define social groups. That is, superficial characteristics are more important in categorization than underlying biology, which itself can be ambiguous.

Linguistically, it also gets complicated, because there is a difference between grammatical and semantic gender. English tends to rely largely on semantic gender, but many languages make grammatical distinctions between male, female, and neuter nouns. (For example, "the moon" in French is feminine la lune but masculine der Mond in German.) Worse yet, masculine and feminine nouns can be at odds with semantic gender. So the word for "man" in Polish is feminine mężczyzna, but you have to use masculine adjectives and pronouns to modify or refer to it.

Gender reference in English is much simpler semantically, since we don't have gender classes for nouns, but pronominal reference is a grammatical feature of the language. Hence, plural third person pronouns like they can be occasionally be used for semantic singular reference under certain circumstances.

In summary, pronoun reference is quirky in most languages, and it is far from being objectively biological, as you and @Shaul have been claiming. Speakers of a language develop conventions of usage, and those can change over time, especially when cultural and social conditions change.

So...... what's the worse that can happen if I speak of a person as a he due to his biology?

 

[Kfox]

I have a question about this that I've been wondering for a while now ...
How do you determine that the person you are talking to, doesn't actually fit the pronouns they're asking to be called? Do you check everyone's genitals upon being introduced?

Of course not! If I happen upon a stranger that looks like a female, but this person claims to be male, I will assume this is one of those males that just looks like a female and refer to them as a male. I've seen plenty of lesbians that look like dudes, and visa versa.

 

[Kfox]

That would solve the issues. Or even private unisex bathrooms can be built to accommodate all sexes.

What about public shower facilities?

 

[Shaul]

Ahh so a person literally born with external female genitalia, a uterus and fallopian tubes (Swyer Syndrome) are male because of their Y chromosome.
Interesting
The SRY gene in the Y chromosome is what typically causes testes to develop in the embryo, causing internal and external male characteristics to develop. Though if there is a mutation in said gene then female sex characteristics develop instead. Internal and/or external, depending on the circumstances. This is in spite of possessing a Y chromosome

I remember learning that in high school like 10 years ago

YES! Now you are starting to understand. A person with Swyer syndrome is a male that happens to have nonfunctioning uteri and fallopian tubes. A male can have lactating breasts, uteri, fallopian tubes and still be a male. You want to exploit use extremely rare conditions such as Swyer syndrome, which only occurs in 1 person out of 80,000, to support your erroneous position. A male is defined on the cellular level where the person has a Y chromosome. The external appearance notwithstanding. They may live a lifestyle that is nominally female, but genetically they are males.

 

[Shaul]

So by that logic you are only half the man as those who are XYY. XYYY? They're three times the man you can ever hope to be.

No, that doesn't follow my logic at all. A person, such as myself, who has Y chromosomes is a male. The number of Y chromosomes is irrelevant, just having more than zero. Since you can't refute my position so you stoop to personal attacks.

 

[Shaul]

Not even death is black and white.

Monsieur Benjamin Franklin disagrees,
"Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

 

[fantome profane]

So...... what's the worse that can happen if I speak of a person as a he due to his biology?

The worst? I can answer that.

If the people you are talking to don't know a certain individual is Trans, and you decide to reveal that because you insist on using the wrong pronoun, you could expose that person to someone who will commit an act of violence.

The worst thing that could happen is that you will expose that person to violence and that person could get killed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Monsieur Benjamin Franklin disagrees,
"Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

He didn't have the technology or knowledgeable of biology, medicine or neuropsychology we have today.
Try again, oh ye obvious layman.

What to expect in the last moments before death

It can be difficult to know exactly when someone is going to die or has died. Here are some of the most common signs in the last moments before death.

www.hospiceuk.org

It can be difficult to know exactly when someone is going to die, or has died.

No, that doesn't follow my logic at all. A person, such as myself, who has Y chromosomes is a male. The number of Y chromosomes is irrelevant, just having more than zero. Since you can't refute my position so you stoop to personal attacks.

It does. Because if the precense of Y makes on a male, even those declared girls at birth and don't know their condition, then it must stamd more Ys makes someone more manly. It's all ablit biology and genetics, and they have more man juice than you.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

YES! Now you are starting to understand. A person with Swyer syndrome is a male that happens to have nonfunctioning uteri and fallopian tubes. A male can have lactating breasts, uteri, fallopian tubes and still be a male. You want to exploit use extremely rare conditions such as Swyer syndrome, which only occurs in 1 person out of 80,000, to support your erroneous position. A male is defined on the cellular level where the person has a Y chromosome. The external appearance notwithstanding. They may live a lifestyle that is nominally female, but genetically they are males.

****ing rude. That's all there is too it. I hope for the sake of these women you never meet one and be that much of dick to her.

 

[F1fan]

What about public shower facilities?

Like at a truck stop? They rent out single unit showers for those who are traveling through. Those aren't classified for any gender.

 

[Copernicus]

So...... what's the worse that can happen if I speak of a person as a he due to his biology?

I don't know. I was wondering what would be the worst that could happen if you were polite or kind to the people you talked to. In that case, the worst I can think of is that the other person would think you to be a nice person.

 

[SomeRandom]

YES! Now you are starting to understand. A person with Swyer syndrome is a male that happens to have nonfunctioning uteri and fallopian tubes. A male can have lactating breasts, uteri, fallopian tubes and still be a male. You want to exploit use extremely rare conditions such as Swyer syndrome, which only occurs in 1 person out of 80,000, to support your erroneous position. A male is defined on the cellular level where the person has a Y chromosome. The external appearance notwithstanding. They may live a lifestyle that is nominally female, but genetically they are males.

They’re not nonfunctioning, though???
With egg donation (a common practice used by cis individuals as well) pregnancy and births have been successful in such cases.
It’s not medically reccomended, due to increased risks associated with the “process.” But it’s been a successful practice nonetheless. Resulting in people born with Swyer Syndrome becoming pregnant with and then giving birth to children. Despite their Y chromosome
Which is a biological process typically associated with females in our species, due to their “equipment.”

I think you’re thinking of the general rule when it comes to intersex conditions in the human species. Iow that pregnancy is typically not possible due to nonfunctioning equipment or not possessing all equipment necessary.
But in biology for every rule there seems to be an exception and Swyer Syndrome is it (in this case)

Also science doesn’t give a damn about the frequency of an occurrence.
Redheads are rare, (about as rare as intersex conditions, actually) we don’t discount their existence as a result.
People with Swyer Syndrome exist and their mere existence shatters the notion of human beings having a binary sex characteristic distribution. Never mind the various other intersex conditions known to occur in our species, which occurs at a higher rate, just fyi
XX male syndrome, for example. Which is when a person is born with male sex characteristics despite having two X chromosomes. And of course there’s Hermaphroditism and a whole spectrum of other known occurrences.