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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I have already explained to you, multiple times, that that is not the case. You know already that biological sex is bimodal, not binary, as determined by actual biologists.

Bimodal simply means rather than extreme black or white, but multiple shades of gray. But each shade of gray is still gray; they don't have separate names. Sexual biology has male and female (and the abnormality intersex) now if you know of any other biological distinctions other than male/female, what are they?
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
No, my theory is a young girl got pregnant, and rather than face shame, she claimed God did it. But as far as what believers believe, the choices are endless.

An alternative theory, is that it was based on a common mythological meme that humans born of a divine parents were the result of a virgin birth.

I think it would be a mistake to assume Christians are the only ones who believe sexual biology is binary; if I recall…. Biological science is on board with that idea as well.

I did not make that mistake, and, as others have pointed out, sexual biology is not strictly binary.

What makes it messy?

Well, for one, the fact that science tells us sexual biology is not really binary. Hermaphrodites exist. Some species undergo sexual transformations. All sorts of things can happen. Generally speaking, since biological evolution depends on mutation and serendipity, the engineering can get quite convoluted. For example, the two nerves that reach the vocal folds in mammals are of asymmetrical length, because one of them loops underneath the aorta and cannot get past it. An intelligent design would have placed the nerve above the aorta to avoid that inefficient design. Giraffes are not happy about it.

so the issue here is really one of social accommodation. Transgender individuals are not going to disappear

Nobody is fighting for that

Those who are voting to cut off healthcare to transgender individuals would seem to disagree with you. It certainly doesn't help with the high rates of suicide in transgender youth.


They already have the same use of public restrooms the rest of us have.

Not in all states.

Christians DO have to pick a restroom, and there is no quibble over his/her pronouns with Christians.

I think we've seen a lot of such quibbling in this thread, and at least some of those quibbling are Christians. I have noticed that Christians, like atheists and people of other religious faiths, disagree with each other all the time.


"Jehovah" is a mistranslation of YHWH as there's no J sound in Hebrew, plus vowels were not included in the Hebrew texts. "Jesus" is Hellenized slang Hebrew for "YHWH saves", and it was a fairly common name during Jesus' time.

It is one of several transliterations of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton יהוה. The initial consonant (rightmost symbol י in Hebrew script) can be represented by the Latin letters I, Y, or J, depending on what kind of transliteration scheme one is using. It is the vowels that are interpolations, because the original pronunciation fell out of use around the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE. A taboo against pronouncing the name of God arose, and the name Adonai "my lord" was used instead. Centuries later, the vowels from Adonai were added to the transliteration of the Tetragrammaton. (See Wikipedia: Jehovah)
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
I did not make that mistake, and, as others have pointed out, sexual biology is not strictly binary.
Binary, Bimodal, whatever name you wanna give it it; it’s still male and female; two. If you believe there are three or four, I would be happy to hear the name of those.
Well, for one, the fact that science tells us sexual biology is not really binary. Hermaphrodites exist.
Hermaphrodite is just an outdated term for intersex; right? I’ve already mentioned intersex but that’s not a biological sex, that is an abnormality. Do you consider intersex to be a third sex? Along with male and female?
Those who are voting to cut off healthcare to transgender individuals would seem to disagree with you.
I disagree. transgender individuals have the same healthcare that I or anybody else has.
Not in all states.
I disagree. Biological men and women are allowed to use public restrooms according to their sex regardless of transgenderism or not.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Biological men and women are allowed to use public restrooms according to their sex regardless of transgenderism or not.
I do not believe that is true. If a person who looks like a man attempts to enter a woman's bathroom there will likely be issues, in some cases violence.

No, much easier and safer to use the washroom that more closely matches their apparent gender.
 

idea

Question Everything
The lomg hair thing is funny. Joshua (closer to what Jesus' name would have been) is frequently and typically portrayed as having long hairddespite it usually being a feminine trait (and of course there are Biblical prohibitions against men not wearing women's things and a prohibition on men with long hair).
Jehovah is the Latinized form of Yahwey. Nothing more.

Dies anyone know the origin of long hair?

Was it Sampson story?

Zeus, Achilles, Apollo, and Poseidon - had long hair. Greeks - invented man-buns?

Aristocracy, had those funny wigs.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Dies anyone know the origin of long hair?
It's more the origin of short hair, which we see more coming from militarized societies and societies wealthy and privileged enough to offer regular hair cuts. Outside of that people mostly have long hair, with things like braids having been common for men and women.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I do not believe that is true. If a person who looks like a man attempts to enter a woman's bathroom there will likely be issues, in some cases violence.
Ya know, I am getting tired of repeating the big, burly, bearded guy going into the women's restroom thing. That argument called me. It's wants to drive off into the sunset and be left alone peacefully die. It's tired and it knows people who haven't learned by now probably never will.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Bimodal simply means rather than extreme black or white, but multiple shades of gray. But each shade of gray is still gray; they don't have separate names. Sexual biology has male and female (and the abnormality intersex) now if you know of any other biological distinctions other than male/female, what are they?
If you understand the difference between something being binary and something being bimodal, you should understand why everything you have just said is self-defeating. I've already explained all of this to you. Why are you pretending you don't already understand it?
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I do not believe that is true. If a person who looks like a man attempts to enter a woman's bathroom there will likely be issues, in some cases violence.

No, much easier and safer to use the washroom that more closely matches their apparent gender.
Do you know of any States that has laws stating biological females that look like men are not allowed to use female restrooms?
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
If you understand the difference between something being binary and something being bimodal, you should understand why everything you have just said is self-defeating. I've already explained all of this to you. Why are you pretending you don't already understand it?
I explained the difference and it is not self defeating, so why don't you answer my question?
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
I explained the difference and it is not self defeating,
You acknowledge the existence of intersex people, then literally ask what other categories of sex exist except male and female. Your arguments are self-defeating.

so why don't you answer my question?
Because your question is nonsensical, you already admitted it was a false premise, and it doesn't refute what I have already explained to you. Even if I were to accept that there are two categories (which there aren't because you yourself acknowledge that intersex people exist), that doesn't mean that those categories aren't within a bimodal range.

I've explained this. Why are you pretending you don't already know it?
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Binary, Bimodal, whatever name you wanna give it it; it’s still male and female; two. If you believe there are three or four, I would be happy to hear the name of those.

You've been provided with references earlier, and not just by me.


Hermaphrodite is just an outdated term for intersex; right? I’ve already mentioned intersex but that’s not a biological sex, that is an abnormality. Do you consider intersex to be a third sex? Along with male and female?

Yes, but you've already been given plenty of evidence to that effect above, so I see no reason why repeating it here would have any effect on changing your mind.


I disagree. transgender individuals have the same healthcare that I or anybody else has.

I guess you are just ignoring all of the laws that Republican-controlled legislatures have been working on and sometimes passing into law. See:

Map: Attacks on Gender Affirming Care by State


I disagree. Biological men and women are allowed to use public restrooms according to their sex regardless of transgenderism or not.

That is true for most states, but not all. Republican-controlled legislatures have been busy. And bear in mind that you were originally replying to my comment on transgender use of public facilities, not just "biological men and women". Don't move the goalposts and pretend I didn't notice. See:

BANS ON TRANSGENDER PEOPLE USING BATHROOMS AND FACILITIES ACCORDING TO THEIR GENDER IDENTITY

 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
You acknowledge the existence of intersex people, then literally ask what other categories of sex exist except male and female. Your arguments are self-defeating.
That’s why I asked do you view intersex as a biological sex category like male and female; because though some may, not everybody does. Some see intersex males and intersex females; the difference being intersex males have the y chromosome, intersex females don’t.
However for the sake of conversation if you see 3 categories I’m okay with that; male, female, and intersex. However as I said before, intersex has little to do with the transgender issue, people claiming transgender are rarely intersex, and 3 categories is a far cry from the dozens proclaimed by the trans community.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
You've been provided with references earlier, and not just by me.

Yes, but you've already been given plenty of evidence to that effect above, so I see no reason why repeating it here would have any effect on changing your mind.
Is it your view that intersex is a biological distinction like male and female? If so that is 3. Do you agree with the dozens many in the trans community claim? Or just the 3.
I guess you are just ignoring all of the laws that Republican-controlled legislatures have been working on and sometimes passing into law. See:

Map: Attacks on Gender Affirming Care by State

That’s different! If I wanted to have my leg amputated because I identify as an amputee, my health care would not cover that either! Again; transgender individuals have the same health care I and others have.
That is true for most states, but not all. Republican-controlled legislatures have been busy. And bear in mind that you were originally replying to my comment on transgender use of public facilities, not just "biological men and women". Don't move the goalposts and pretend I didn't notice. See:

BANS ON TRANSGENDER PEOPLE USING BATHROOMS AND FACILITIES ACCORDING TO THEIR GENDER IDENTITY

That’s different! It appears YOU are the only one changing the goal posts here. At first you said of transgender people

, and they all have the same need to use public restrooms that the rest of us do.


Those were your exact words. Now you’re changing it to using public restrooms according to their gender identity! I can’t use public restrooms according to their identity if I wanted to either! It’s the same. Obviously restrooms usage is not based on how you subjectively identify yourself, it’s based on your biology. My point stands.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
What did I say? Quote me.
Somebody else (Copernicus) made the point that transgender individuals have the same need to use public restrooms like the rest of us.

I said they already do, to which he claimed some states they are not allowed to.

then you entered the picture stating in some cases it could lead to violence (which has nothing to do with whether it is legal for them or not) and you provided a link which has nothing to do with the original claim made that in some states trans aren’t allowed to use public restrooms. when I pointed this out, you said I am missing the point.
 
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