Support for Things That Harm Others

[KW]

More divisive rhetoric.

Yes, just like abolitionist rhetoric against slavery. The innocent should be protected from the killers.

 

[Altfish]

An unborn child is a human life. A child is not property.

A woman is a human life. A woman is not property

 

[KW]

A woman is a human life. A woman is not property

Yes. This is true for little girls.

Don’t kill the innocent.

 

[Vee]

How do you address the knowledge that they may be harmed by something you endorse?

I don't practice things I don't support or believe in but that's a personal choice and I wish no harm on others. Seeing anyone suffer pains me.
Abortion is a very complicated matter with a lot of layers an it's very disturbing to see so many people hating each other instead of addressing the roots of the issue. I'm yet to see anything positive come out of all the fights and demonstrations going on.
I believe people should have free access to contraception. I also believe when babies are born their families shouldn't have to live in the panic of not knowing if they'll be able to afford baby stuff, or find baby formula in the supermarket shelves for example. I defend that day care should be affordable so that working parents can have people to take good care of their children while they have to work. After all, if there is so much money available to pay for wars, there should be some to support families, no?
There is also the issue of personal responsibility. Sex is not a form of sport. There are risks, pregnancy being only one of them. People should be less promiscuous and make better choices in what comes to partners. Abortion should not be used as a form of contraception.

 

[Revoltingest]

...I have conservative friends who have told me that knowing me has changed their views on apostasy: whereas they previously believed that apostates should face capital punishment, knowing one on a personal level has added a layer to their views on the issue that they didn't consider before. They changed their mind when the issue no longer became a mere distant abstraction to them.

What was effective in changing their minds,
ie, what about your demeanor & conduct
with them effected the change?

 

[KW]

Perhaps that means that since our souls are eternal, Yahweh knows us by our souls before we get a body.

Yes

At conception human life begins.

 

[Fool]

Denying abortion kills the innocent too
Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia

Yes, if the host can't support the one it's serving both will fail. The potential for life and actual life are not the same.

 

[Altfish]

Yes. This is true for little girls.

Don’t kill the innocent.

Why kill women instead, no one should be killed.
I'm not even entering the debate about when a sperm + egg becomes a human.

Can I also ask, "Why does your god allow so many abortions?" After all a miscarriage or still birth is an abortion

 

[Debater Slayer]

What was effective in changing their minds,
ie, what about your demeanor & conduct
with them effected the change?

One thing that all of them have mentioned is that I was the first Arab atheist they had encountered who didn't offend religious sensitivities on purpose or attack religion wholesale.

I was sad but not surprised, since angry, bitter anti-religious sentiment is a hallmark of most Arab atheist circles I have spent time with. I can understand where the anger is coming from, but it eventually does more harm than good--including to the people harboring it.

 

[KW]

Why kill women instead, no one should be killed.
I'm not even entering the debate about when a sperm + egg becomes a human.

Can I also ask, "Why does your god allow so many abortions?" After all a miscarriage or still birth is an abortion

Who is killing women?

People have free will. They can choose to murder even if it is illegal. That doesn’t mean it should be legal.

 

[Fool]

Yes

At conception human life begins.

Humans have individuality.

15c. example might be an outlier. Sense of "single, separate, of but one person or thing" is from 1610s; meaning "intended for one person" is from 1889.

 

[Viker]

So do cars, but not usually by intent.

Guns are a tool. Violence is a human choice.

Cars aren't made to injure or kill.

But since you want to use this analogy, fine.

In order to operate a car one must pass a test, pay fees, are required to be insured and must follow fairly strict laws. It seems some tools are too dangerous to pass out willy nilly like Halloween candy. Are you sure you still want to compare guns to cars?

 

[Fool]

One thing that all of them have mentioned is that I was the first Arab atheist they had encountered who didn't offend religious sensitivities on purpose or attack religion wholesale.

I was sad but not surprised, since angry, bitter anti-religious sentiment is a hallmark of most Arab atheist circles I have spent time with. I can understand where the anger is coming from, but it eventually does more harm than good--including to the people harboring it.

So you have discovered that it isn't what you wear but how you interact that is important? So being this belief system vs that belief system is only the difference between loving vs hating your fellow man?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not in civilised countries it isn't murder

Guns still are designed to kill and often do, they are intentionally used to kill. It doesn't matter how much you protest

Technically that's not true.

Exhibit A. 22 cal. Concrete driver.

 

[Debater Slayer]

So you have discovered that it isn't what you wear but how you interact that is important? So being this belief system vs that belief system is only the difference between loving vs hating your fellow man?

I'm not sure I'm getting what you're asking.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

Abortion kills the innocent.

It is part of the culture of death pushed on us by the left.

It treats human beings as tools to be used.

Wow.

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

An unborn child is a human life. A child is not property.

Nor are women’s wombs owned by governments.

 

[Altfish]

Yes, if the host can't support the one it's serving both will fail. The potential for life and actual life are not the same.

The use of the word 'host' is abhorrent.

 

[Fool]

I'm not sure I'm getting what you're asking.

You've learned that what your wear, isn't as important as how you respect and appreciate someone else no matter if they wear the same outward covering(atheist or moslem). Love and respect are an action. Not some label, or covering.

 

[Fool]

The use of the word 'host' is abhorrent.

A host is someone who serves.

person who receives guests," especially for pay, late 13c., from Old French oste, hoste "guest, host, hostess, landlord" (12c., Modern French hôte), from Latin hospitem (nominative hospes) "guest, stranger, sojourner, visitor (hence also 'foreigner')," also "host; one bound by ties of hospitality."