tytlyf
Not Religious
Nope, both parties aren't even close to being the same. But I see this line repeated by most conservatives as to deflect from their own people they vote for.
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Supporting Trump, now a religion?
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That really wasn't the point I was trying to make, which is this: when we take the words and actions of Trump and compare them to those of Jesus (or Moses or Mohammed, etc.), it's really quite obvious that they are pretty much polar-opposites. Therefore, between endorsing the words and actions of Jesus versus endorsing the words and actions of Trump, so many chose the latter.
We could point-by-point on the teachings of each, but that would be fruitless and very time consuming for me.
No. Opposition? Sure. Obstructionists? No. That is the game plan masterminded and deployed by Republicans during Obama's tenure. That unwavering intensisty of obstruction was relatively rare before.
I don't know who started it and neither do you but it was in play long before Obama became president and it gets worse every year. Even if the Republican did start it, and you can't prove they did, the Dems have gladly joined in, and it has gotten to the ridiculous stage since Trump was elected.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Letting Trump go unchecked would not only be ridiculous but also dangerous.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Republicans wanted Obama to fail from day 1. Even the top RW media opinionheads hoped he failed. Their goal was to make him a 1-term president, it failed.
The parties are different, don't compare democrats to republicans. You can keep your corporate policies, we work for the middle class
And Democrats wanted Trump to fail from day 1.
Their goal is impeachment.....not even letting him have 1 full term.
This seems the normal way of things now.
And you have documentation of Democrats saying that their goal was to do this?
There has been much in the news.
An example....
It’s the Beginning of the End for Trump. Even Elected Democrats Can Feel It.
But my intent was to point out to the other poster that his perception
of opposition to Obama could be easily applied to Trump.
(He sees opposition as either malevolent (when against Dems) or
noble (when against Pubs). While I see opposition as ordinary.)
There is talk of impeachment now with evidence of impropriety mounting.
I am referring your claim that they wanted him to fail from Day 1.
I agree that opposition is ordinary. But I think the obstruction we saw from Republicans was a new level.
The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
Where is the documentation that Pubs conspired to obstruct Obama?
tytlyf
Not Religious
The republican establishment is more Trump's problem. Don't fall for the 'democratic' distraction.
Republicans are leaking info, republicans are sending it to media outlets. The establishment is sabotaging Trump on purpose.
You said that democrats wanted Trump to fail from day 1? Which democrat in congress said that?
Thanks for electing someone who has no idea what they're doing, that's dangerous.
Are you not familiar with "check and balances' in our system? Letting any president go unchecked would be ridiculous and dangerous.
Some wanted him to fail, most did not. All of the radical, LW opinionheads want Trump to fail, including YOU.
It was in the fair and balanced news last week. it was said by 3 democrat members of congress. I am sure even the drive by media reported that.
I'll agree that this is indicative of the sentiments of many Democrats, but I was talking about elected officials. There will always be those fired up partisans on either side, but it is the behavior of the Congressmen that is the source of governmental opposition or obstruction.
"Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnellsummed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” sauce
The context of the conversation was whether this was an agenda from Day 1.
As for it cropping up now, well, there's some serious allegations against the president. We still need to wait and see what all the various investigations conclude, but should they be verified, impeachment ought to be considered. That's not partisan politics. That's responsible government.
What I see in the news is that some Dems are urging caution about calling for impeachment.
(They've some experience with it.)
Those 2 statements can also be read as fighting Obama's agenda, rather than the man himself.
I know that Dems want to believe that Obama failed because of unreasonable & determined opposition.
It can excuse his failures to some extent. (Remember that Dems controlled Congress during his reign.)
But he wasn't personally all that repellent....young, cute, relatively civil (for a politician). His agendas
though, they were worthy of complete & utter defeat.
Trump is different in that even many who voted for him dislike him. He is a really offensive person. And the level of hatred for him by Democrats exceeds anything I've ever seen towards a president.....even Nixon, Reagan or Dubya. Just look at how many leftish posters here believe him to be Hitler incarnate. Even mainstream media evaluate his hitleresqe potential. So I think a stronger case can be made for raging personal opposition against Trump than Obama. It's one thing to disagree with his policies (as I do), but this is going off the deep end.
Of course, the above is just an opinion.
And those will vary.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Some more so than others.
When they get some proof, that is the time to mention impeachment, not before.
Because of their hatred for Trump Some of the Dems, have jumped the gun?
We know Clinton broke the law, should that also be investigated.