Supporting Trump, now a religion?

[Revoltingest]

Indeed. He owned nothing but the clothes on his back, and possibly a pair of sandals-- although those may have been a loaner pair.

Jesus' teaching for his disciples at the very end, was to travel the land, owning nothing, paying for nothing --- but depending instead on the kindness of the locals.

If kindness (hospitality) was not to be found? Shake the dust off their feet-- god would punish those dirty greedy capitalist pigs.

Sounds like he was a lazy slacker....taking instead of providing for himself.
But wasn't he a carpenter?
I've heard that.
Perhaps you misrepresent him a little.

 

[omega2xx]

One of those writings said "you will know them by their fruits." I'm only judging their fruits, not what they claim to be. Actions speak louder than words, and I'm judging them by the results of their actions.

But you are judging them to be Christians by non-Christian conduct.

As far as communism being godless - all forms of government are godless, including our own. What's the problem?

Our country was founded on many God given principles and was originally more Christian than secular. When most American accepted God's given morality, we were a much kinder nation.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Specious. He made a (verbal) contract with each set of workers. He gave them what they agreed to accept. This is Capitalism at it's best.

Nope: it is a tenant of Capitalism that you MUST charge all that the traffic will bear, and you MUST pay your slaves--erm-- "workers" as LITTLE as you are able.

You are thinking of Socialism-- where everyone gets the same wage, regardless if they even worked or not.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sounds like he was a lazy slacker....taking instead of providing for himself.
But wasn't he a carpenter?
I've heard that.
Perhaps you misrepresent him a little.

He might have been a carpenter at one time-- indeed, there is some speculation that he was working in his stepfather's business until he was the ripe old age of 30.

You will note that Joseph, his stepfather, is never mentioned in later stories-- likely he died, and Jesus had to take over the family business until more siblings were born. And no-- that's not an impossibility-- Mary would have remarried, or else slept with a brother of Joseph, to make more kids from Joseph by convention.

It could be that Jesus was waiting for one of these siblings to take over after him, so he could Realize His Dream And Be A Wandering Rabbi, teaching the world to be peaceful, instead of fighting all the time... over trivia...

Of course-- the above is pure speculation.

Other Speculation as to What Did Jesus Do Between Age 12 and Age 30? Includes him traveling to the East, and learning about Buddhism.

And indeed-- I have seen some very compelling argument in favor of exactly that: What do you get, if you blended Jewish Teachings with Buddhist Wisdom? Some would say that what Jesus taught (ignore the heretic Paul-- who wasn't really a Good Jew anyway) fits quite well with Buddhism's pacifistic teachings.

Without a Time Machine, we cannot know for sure either way.

But I rather like the last one, myself: A wandering Rabbi, teaching his blend of Buddhist Wisdom and Jewish Tradition.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

One of those writings said "you will know them by their fruits." I'm only judging their fruits, not what they claim to be. Actions speak louder than words, and I'm judging them by the results of their actions.

As far as communism being godless - all forms of government are godless, including our own. What's the problem?

He is wrong about communism, by the way: the book of Acts, early christians lived in communes, and indeed, Jesus taught his followers to be communists.

Gods may or may not have been involved, as the original writings (if any) have long since been warped by Men who had an Agenda to Rule The World-- twisting early christian writings into the ugly mess it is today.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Of course it's debatable.
That's why we're here, Berford!
(That was my point in quoting your petulant little barb back at you.)

See how I used the site's quote feature?
That's how it's done....it's clearer.

"That was my point in quoting your petulant little barb back at you."

And I was pointing out your comparison was not equivalent because I was auguring a different point. To be honest between Trump and Clinton they both are losers, but the election of Trump means a Republican administration, and even if Trump does not agree with Republican agenda he is still willing to fill role, and Clinton would have been willing to fill the dem role. Which I was trying to explain to someone that does not even live in this country, and you just jumped in the middle of it. Someone that lives here already understands this, and so I don't need to inform you about that aspect.

As far as dem vs. rep, I hope you realize it is not all win with either party.

"See how I used the site's quote feature?"

I started italicizing just for you, that's meeting you half way. In real writing we use quotation marks and everyone seems to handle it just fine.

 

[Stevicus]

But you are judging them to be Christians by non-Christian conduct.

We're talking about ideas which Christians openly embrace, not some "dirty little secret" only behind closed doors.

Our country was founded on many God given principles and was originally more Christian than secular. When most American accepted God's given morality, we were a much kinder nation.

That was true of nearly every country in Europe at the time of the Pilgrims' arrival in America. They would also claim that they were founded on God given principles. That's part of the reason America's Founders didn't want America to have an official religion as European countries did. They wanted a separation of Church and State.

Even so, at its founding, I don't think that America could be called a "kinder nation," since we had slavery, expansionism involving ethnic cleansing, limited voting rights (only white males who owned property), and many other restrictions which had to be fought against before America would become "kinder" (and even then, some might question just how "kind" we are).

Besides all that, I see Christians making a lot of noise over supposed "sins," such as homosexuality, porn, rock music, abortion, etc., but I don't see them saying anything about banksters, Wall Street, organized crime, greed, the excess of wealth (such as that displayed by televangelists), or much of anything else for that matter. They care so much about what goes on in people's bedrooms (which affect no one), but they care nothing about what goes on in corporate boardrooms (which affect everyone).

 

[BSM1]

I did not notice that, but I feel that jeremiah is correct here - this early in Trump's term, attributing this to him is ridiculous. What has he done to lower unemployment rates, aside from golf? (On tax payer's dime, mind you.)

As for the path that Trump has put us on, world leaders (you know, the people we share the stage with?) are outraged and scared at his behavior. Several tentative allies have expressed concern over his Twitter behavior. Relations with Russia keep getting more and more tense. North Korea grows more volatile - and has even threatened psycho's homeland for some reason.

Regulations are being removed at an alarming rate, most notably that for the sciences that regulate environmental pollution. National Parks are being defunded, and I've even seen talks of not respecting those natural sanctuaries and ravaging them for oil. Climate change is constantly denied, despite growing ever-more evident, and measures to regulate and reverse our impact on it are turned down. Regulations on business are also being removed or lessened, to the point where they can essentially say "Oh, well no one told us we couldn't be scumbags" with impunity.

Trump talked about "draining the swamp", then appointed several people who are worse than their predecessors - need I remind of Betsy DeVois, who has no credentials or experience in her job of education. More and more it seems like we were the swamp-to-be-drained. Oh and then there's the wall. Trump's wonderful wall. The wall that will make economic and political relations with Mexico (and likely every other developed nation) far more worse because of the statement that it sends. The wall that won't stop drugs and illegal immigrants - as Trump claims - and that we will end up paying for. Not Mexico, certainly not Trump; us. Hell, we already pay for his wife's security in New York, at his personal business tower.

Now, Clinton is no saint either, and I didn't vote for her. But I have yet to see one argument at all as to why we should be "thanking heaven" that she lost. Why we should be falling to our knees in hysterical gratitude to the system that basically ignored our votes right up until the end that Hiliary isn't sitting in the Oval Office. Can anybody provide even an inkling of a reason? I've seen a list of her campaign proposals, yet how many of Trump's proposals has he kept?

Hold the phone! So we attribute all the good news to our thankfully depart previous president because the present leader has not been in office long enough to accomplish anything, but we attribute all the bad in the world to this guy who 'hasn't been in office long enough to accomplish anything"? Can anyone say 'double standard'?

 

[Revoltingest]

He might have been a carpenter at one time-- indeed, there is some speculation that he was working in his stepfather's business until he was the ripe old age of 30.

You will note that Joseph, his stepfather, is never mentioned in later stories-- likely he died, and Jesus had to take over the family business until more siblings were born. And no-- that's not an impossibility-- Mary would have remarried, or else slept with a brother of Joseph, to make more kids from Joseph by convention.

It could be that Jesus was waiting for one of these siblings to take over after him, so he could Realize His Dream And Be A Wandering Rabbi, teaching the world to be peaceful, instead of fighting all the time... over trivia...

Of course-- the above is pure speculation.

Other Speculation as to What Did Jesus Do Between Age 12 and Age 30? Includes him traveling to the East, and learning about Buddhism.

And indeed-- I have seen some very compelling argument in favor of exactly that: What do you get, if you blended Jewish Teachings with Buddhist Wisdom? Some would say that what Jesus taught (ignore the heretic Paul-- who wasn't really a Good Jew anyway) fits quite well with Buddhism's pacifistic teachings.

Without a Time Machine, we cannot know for sure either way.

But I rather like the last one, myself: A wandering Rabbi, teaching his blend of Buddhist Wisdom and Jewish Tradition.

Dang....mayhaps the Bible should be re-titled "The Real Housewives Of Bethlehem", eh.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I was pointing out your comparison was not equivalent because I was auguring a different point.

Comparisons are not statements of equivalence.
Unless I state 2 things are equivalent, you may assume that I'm not stating that 2 things are equivalent.
(This seems an impossible point to ever get across.)

As far as dem vs. rep, I hope you realize it is not all win with either party.

Well, spluuuuhhhhhh!

I started italicizing just for you, that's meeting you half way. In real writing we use quotation marks and everyone seems to handle it just fine.

I'm set in me ways.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Comparisons are not statements of equivalence.
Unless I state 2 things are equivalent, you may assume that I'm not stating that 2 things are equivalent.
(This seems an impossible point to ever get across.)

Well, spluuuuhhhhhh!

I'm set in me ways.

"Comparisons are not statements of equivalence.
Unless I state 2 things are equivalent, you may assume that I'm not stating that 2 things are equivalent."

Whatever . . . . I don't want to spend all day arguing with you over something so trivial, and I know you'll go all day over something so silly.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Comparisons are not statements of equivalence.
Unless I state 2 things are equivalent, you may assume that I'm not stating that 2 things are equivalent."

Whatever . . . . I don't want to spend all day arguing with you over something so trivial, and I know you'll go all day over something so silly.

I have the superpower of being able to obsess over insignificant things.
But I am entirely correct about encouraging more accurate inferences.

Does "CP" stand for "Chicago Pneumatic" or "Central Pneumatic"?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Hold the phone! So we attribute all the good news to our thankfully depart previous president because the present leader has not been in office long enough to accomplish anything, but we attribute all the bad in the world to this guy who 'hasn't been in office long enough to accomplish anything"? Can anyone say 'double standard'?

Who exactly is attributing "all the bad in the world"? Who are you quoting? And are you British?

Edit*** Never mind I just realized you are probably responding to that Ragging Pagan guy, whom I have on ignore.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I have the superpower of being able to obsess over insignificant things.
But I am entirely correct about encouraging more accurate inferences.

Does "CP" stand for Chicago Pneumatic?

"But I am entirely correct about encouraging more accurate inferences."

I am sorry, what? I didn't realize you were confused by anything I said.

 

[Revoltingest]

"But I am entirely correct about encouraging more accurate inferences."

I am sorry, what? I didn't realize you were confused by anything I said.

You made an incorrect inference.
I corrected it, & advised how to avoid such errors.
I'm here to help.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

You made an incorrect inference.
I corrected it, & advised how to avoid such errors.
I'm here to help.

Now you are just trolling me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now you are just trolling me.

No, just directly responding to your post.
"Trolling"....do you know what it means?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

No, just directly responding to your post.
"Trolling"....do you know what it means?

I think you are sad I stopped playing and now you are trying to rope me back in.

 

[QuestioningMind]

How did I know that this was coming? Could you maybe explain your thinking?

Please DO cite the sweeping economic policies that tRump has passed through congress that are responsible for our current unemployment rates.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Our country was founded on many God given principles and was originally more Christian than secular. When most American accepted God's given morality, we were a much kinder nation.

The above is pretty much 100% false. The Founding members of our nation made it explicitly clear, that the US was deliberately, and with especial intention, NOT a christian nation.

Moreover your blatant claim of "god given principles" is patently false-- the principles on which the US is founded are much-much older than Xianity. They trace back to well before christianity had been invented by Constantine.